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04 Sep 2019, 1:04 pm

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Labour have been crowimg for an election for 2 years but now we see they don't want one. The real reason is because Corbyn is petrified as he knows an election will probably be the end for him


They quite clearly do want one. They just want one on their own terms so that the Benn Bill is secured and Johnson cant move the date after the GE is agreed.

Why on earth would they go for one now giving Johnson the power to completely screw them over when they could just push for a VoNC shortly afterwards?



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04 Sep 2019, 1:14 pm

Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Labour have been crowimg for an election for 2 years but now we see they don't want one. The real reason is because Corbyn is petrified as he knows an election will probably be the end for him


They quite clearly do want one. They just want one on their own terms so that the Benn Bill is secured and Johnson cant move the date after the GE is agreed.

Why on earth would they go for one now giving Johnson the power to completely screw them over when they could just push for a VoNC shortly afterwards?
under the circumstances couldnt the opposition call for a vote of no confidence now,its not like Borris Johnson is looking like a competent leader at this time


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04 Sep 2019, 1:30 pm

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JohnPowell wrote:
Labour have been crowimg for an election for 2 years but now we see they don't want one. The real reason is because Corbyn is petrified as he knows an election will probably be the end for him


They quite clearly do want one. They just want one on their own terms so that the Benn Bill is secured and Johnson cant move the date after the GE is agreed.

Why on earth would they go for one now giving Johnson the power to completely screw them over when they could just push for a VoNC shortly afterwards?


They don't want one, their leader Blair said as much over the weekend. An election would give the public the chance to vote out these treasonous puppets in parliament so we can leave the EU.

If they wanted an election they'd bite Johnson's hand off, but they know it'd be like Turkey's voting for Christmas


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04 Sep 2019, 1:59 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Labour have been crowimg for an election for 2 years but now we see they don't want one. The real reason is because Corbyn is petrified as he knows an election will probably be the end for him


They quite clearly do want one. They just want one on their own terms so that the Benn Bill is secured and Johnson cant move the date after the GE is agreed.

Why on earth would they go for one now giving Johnson the power to completely screw them over when they could just push for a VoNC shortly afterwards?


They don't want one, their leader Blair said as much over the weekend. An election would give the public the chance to vote out these treasonous puppets in parliament so we can leave the EU.

If they wanted an election they'd bite Johnson's hand off, but they know it'd be like Turkey's voting for Christmas


I think you know just why they will go for their own GE attempt rather than Johnsons. You are toeing the party line well though.



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04 Sep 2019, 2:07 pm

Stephen Kinnocks amendment passes as no Tellers were put up, which means Theresa May's WA may be back in play :lol:



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04 Sep 2019, 2:22 pm

GE vote pushed back to 9:20pm



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04 Sep 2019, 2:29 pm

Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Labour have been crowimg for an election for 2 years but now we see they don't want one. The real reason is because Corbyn is petrified as he knows an election will probably be the end for him


They quite clearly do want one. They just want one on their own terms so that the Benn Bill is secured and Johnson cant move the date after the GE is agreed.

Why on earth would they go for one now giving Johnson the power to completely screw them over when they could just push for a VoNC shortly afterwards?


They don't want one, their leader Blair said as much over the weekend. An election would give the public the chance to vote out these treasonous puppets in parliament so we can leave the EU.

If they wanted an election they'd bite Johnson's hand off, but they know it'd be like Turkey's voting for Christmas


I think you know just why they will go for their own GE attempt rather than Johnsons. You are toeing the party line well though.


If Labour got in they know they could ask the EU for an extension and get one anyway so you're just repeating the tripe. Well no, you have everything backwards, Boris is pretending to be Mr brexit when really he wants to push through the capitulation treaty.


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04 Sep 2019, 2:36 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Labour have been crowimg for an election for 2 years but now we see they don't want one. The real reason is because Corbyn is petrified as he knows an election will probably be the end for him


They quite clearly do want one. They just want one on their own terms so that the Benn Bill is secured and Johnson cant move the date after the GE is agreed.

Why on earth would they go for one now giving Johnson the power to completely screw them over when they could just push for a VoNC shortly afterwards?


They don't want one, their leader Blair said as much over the weekend. An election would give the public the chance to vote out these treasonous puppets in parliament so we can leave the EU.

If they wanted an election they'd bite Johnson's hand off, but they know it'd be like Turkey's voting for Christmas


I think you know just why they will go for their own GE attempt rather than Johnsons. You are toeing the party line well though.


If Labour got in they know they could ask the EU for an extension and get one anyway so you're just repeating the tripe. Well no, you have everything backwards, Boris is pretending to be Mr brexit when really he wants to push through the capitulation treaty.


Make up your own first maybe :lol:

Pretty sure you know the significant difference between accepting a GE offer from the PM and pushing for one in a VoNC. Ot this this occasion waiting for the Queens ascent on the Bill before accepting.



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04 Sep 2019, 2:39 pm

It's not about that it's fear of losing and making sure to stop us leaving the EU firstly.


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04 Sep 2019, 2:39 pm

Boris Johnson does not have much time left.I think no matter what happens with tonights vote they will "no confidence him out" soon its just a matter of time.likely before parliament is suspended for 5 weeks


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04 Sep 2019, 3:51 pm

Johnson loses yet another vote. No GE just yet for him as Labour abstained. They want the Bill to pass first.

Johnson suggested he could bring the same GE vote back at the start of next week as he knows that is when Queens ascent would be given (if it gets given) so opposition parties would be happier to go for it



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04 Sep 2019, 4:10 pm

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Johnson loses yet another vote. No GE just yet for him as Labour abstained. They want the Bill to pass first.
Exactly what Jeremy Corbyn said he would do,no new elections until they get rid of "no deal brexit"


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04 Sep 2019, 4:15 pm

In the meantime Johnson is left to stew in his own juices as he is left in charge, but not in control, with a large minority, facing an order to go and ask for an extension which he promised the country he would not do and begging for a general election which he also told the country he would not ask for.

Strong and stable. :lol:

Still, we are heading for a GE at some point in the near future. The quality of the alliance pacts made will be where the the winner certainly comes from.



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04 Sep 2019, 4:15 pm

It's not about 'no deal brexit'. It is purely to stop us leaving the EU.


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04 Sep 2019, 4:26 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
It's not about 'no deal brexit'. It is purely to stop us leaving the EU.
Yes and no.In the short term Corbyn wants to stop the disaster of leaving the EU on 11-31 without a deal in place because that is an imediate threat.
In the long run your right,Corbyn's goal is to stop brexit all together but first he needs to stall for time so he can make plans to achieve his ultimate goal of a new referendum

The way things are going for Johnson,Corbyn could be PM soon and may get his way.


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05 Sep 2019, 1:24 am

...I did not know that a party could kick someone out in Parliament simply for going against the leader's desired vote! 8O. Obviously they can. Can a party not in Downing Street - Labour, etc. - do that. too?
Especially given thst there may be a General Election quite soon...could someone who was deselected/lost the whip stand a chance running in their home arrs (posting/district) as an independent?
Two really old-guard Tories, Nicolas Soames and Kenneth Clarke. who'vee been in Parliament forever (and are pretty well-connected and, let's face it, rich. I'm sure), and I assume win their local elections by good margins, ate among the 21. Even assuming that the Tory leadership nominated someone to run as a Tory in their areas. it seems like they could win :? ? :mrgreen:


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