Trump Absolute Right?

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The correct position. Trump can ask foreign governments to investigate if it serves the interest of the United States. Not if it serves the interest of Donald Trump.

There's some wiggle room for Trump, but not much. He can make the argument that investigating Biden is important to the integrity of the country, but this is the man who raised holy hell over the conspiracy of Obama investigating him. His position is hypocritical at best.

I'm on the fence on whether he should be removed from office (via impeachment). It's an abuse of power and obviously we want and expect better from our president. That said removing the leader of the country should never be done lightly. Just about every politician and person has some abuses of power/criminal actions. The bar for removal should remain high. I think Trump's transgressions (that we know about) are right at the level of that bar.

In practical terms, a conviction through trial by the Senate, with the Chief Justice presiding, is unlikely.

I have not seen what I would call rabid worship of Trump. Especially here. I wonder if it is something that actually exists in quantity, or if it is just repeated so much some believe it to be so.

I feel Biden was being a bully in the instance where he seemed to be bragging about getting rid of the prosecutor.

One of the differences between the actions of Biden and Trump---is that Biden wasn't seeking dirt on any potential opposition candidate, for purposes of influencing an election. Trump was seeking dirt on Biden, who is a potential opposition candidate.

They got banned. Several of them.

It's hard to defend TRUMP on this site without being called NAZI, racist, fascist, making people angry, and being reported.

I don't believe Trump supporters are, in at least 90% of cases, Nazis, fascists, etc.

I have nothing against Trump supporters if they are not Nazis, fascists, etc.

I just don't see the basis for supporting Trump, personally.

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People are hurting, and saw TRUMP as hope to make their lives better.

I don't want people to HURT.

I just don't think TRUMP is the answer.

We have to search for someone else to alleviate peoples' hurt. Not vote blindly for somebody.

History has proven that voting blindly for somebody can cause catastrophe.

Or being accused of worshiping him as a deity.

So much hyperbole.

I wouldn't go that far....worshipping him like a deity.....but there are people who are blind to his faults and his threats to democratic institutions (not Democratic institutions).

No matter what position we're in, no one is superior, and Trump is no different.

Sometimes you have to initiate impeachment even if it is not going to result in a trial and conviction.

The reasons I see for the initiation of impeachment at this point in time are:

1. The demonstrated use of the office of the president for personal private gain has crossed a line.
2. It is Congress's job to put the brakes on rogue president. Being quiet in the presence of wrong doing makes the quiet complicit.
3. Even if he will not be convicted by the Senate, initiation of impeachment lets him know he has gone too far. (Doing nothing, gives him the unfettered go-ahead.)

I was on a board of directors and the popular CEO had become corrupt. I caused a huge ruckus and was unsuccessful in unseating her BUT, she admitted later she stopped firing people willy nilly because the board "was looking at this." Interestingly enough, after I left the board, she was walked out of the building, fired for the complaints I had made. I found it interesting that my little fuss resulted later in her downfall.

I think it very much depends on the environment. In my life I don't know any Trump supporters. I work at a liberal university in a liberal city. In September of 2016 I took a drive across the state to go to a football game. In my city every yard sign was "I'm With Her." Out in the country the yard signs were all in a line along the highway so people driving past could see, and nearly all were "Trump-Pence."

I know rabid Trump supporters exist even if I don't come into contact with them.

I know a few. Almost without exception, they are loud, rude, obnoxious, and very sure of themselves.

They are also usually very, very wrong, as well...

When Clinton was impeached, his popularity went up. The same thing could very likely happen with Trump. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

VMan, I've been saying the same thing for a while. I do think at this point the case has turned more Nixonian than Clintonian, and that it will actually damage Trump rather than help him, but that is a recent change.