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11 Oct 2019, 4:11 pm

Oops I have inadvertently stumbled into a grouchy serious political thread me thinks.


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11 Oct 2019, 4:13 pm

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I didn't realize triggering right-wing snowflakes was a criminal offence.
This goes deeper than that. She betrayed American troops by travelling to Hanoi during the Vietnam conflict to encourage the Viet Cong to fight those same American troops. Then her daddy pulled a few strings to keep her out of jail. She was, is, and always will be a traitor to her country, that's all.


I'm familiar with what she did, and see utterly no issue. America's aggression against Vietnam was the crime, people had a moral obligation to protest.

It was not protesting that was the problem it was how she did it. Sitting on anti aircraft guns used to shoot down American pilots was aiding and abetting the enemy ie. treason.


It seems it didn't meet the definition. Maybe you feel it's treason, and you're entitled to feel that way; I'm entitled to view that position as utterly unreasonable. Based on the given description of her actions, Jane Fonda did nothing wrong.


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12 Oct 2019, 8:28 am

funeralxempire wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
I didn't realize triggering right-wing snowflakes was a criminal offence.
This goes deeper than that. She betrayed American troops by travelling to Hanoi during the Vietnam conflict to encourage the Viet Cong to fight those same American troops. Then her daddy pulled a few strings to keep her out of jail. She was, is, and always will be a traitor to her country, that's all.


I'm familiar with what she did, and see utterly no issue. America's aggression against Vietnam was the crime, people had a moral obligation to protest.

It was not protesting that was the problem it was how she did it. Sitting on anti aircraft guns used to shoot down American pilots was aiding and abetting the enemy ie. treason.


It seems it didn't meet the definition. Maybe you feel it's treason, and you're entitled to feel that way; I'm entitled to view that position as utterly unreasonable. Based on the given description of her actions, Jane Fonda did nothing wrong.


I did a bit of reading and fact checking and kinda agree with you FXE although maybe she was a tad naive


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12 Oct 2019, 8:34 am

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I doubt the penalty will be more then a fine and I would think the statue of limitations if there is one it has run out for the treason she committed in 1972. Well worth it for the publicity and career boost this will give her.


There is no statue of limitation on treason.



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12 Oct 2019, 9:23 am

SaveFerris wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
I didn't realize triggering right-wing snowflakes was a criminal offence.
This goes deeper than that. She betrayed American troops by travelling to Hanoi during the Vietnam conflict to encourage the Viet Cong to fight those same American troops. Then her daddy pulled a few strings to keep her out of jail. She was, is, and always will be a traitor to her country, that's all.


I'm familiar with what she did, and see utterly no issue. America's aggression against Vietnam was the crime, people had a moral obligation to protest.

It was not protesting that was the problem it was how she did it. Sitting on anti aircraft guns used to shoot down American pilots was aiding and abetting the enemy ie. treason.


It seems it didn't meet the definition. Maybe you feel it's treason, and you're entitled to feel that way; I'm entitled to view that position as utterly unreasonable. Based on the given description of her actions, Jane Fonda did nothing wrong.


I did a bit of reading and fact checking and kinda agree with you FXE although maybe she was a tad naive


I agree with FXE and Ferris. The Vietnam War was an incredible tragedy, perpetrated by a criminal, Nixon. It was an undeclared war and Nixon was later exposed as a criminal. There were anti-war protests, huge ones, and Jane was not the only celebrity. It was only way to get us out of the war.

Remember there were no social media, no 24 hour news channels, in fact only 3 channels. The demonstrations and deliberate breaking of laws was the only way to get the anti-war message out.


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12 Oct 2019, 10:36 am

blazingstar wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
I didn't realize triggering right-wing snowflakes was a criminal offence.
This goes deeper than that. She betrayed American troops by travelling to Hanoi during the Vietnam conflict to encourage the Viet Cong to fight those same American troops. Then her daddy pulled a few strings to keep her out of jail. She was, is, and always will be a traitor to her country, that's all.


I'm familiar with what she did, and see utterly no issue. America's aggression against Vietnam was the crime, people had a moral obligation to protest.

It was not protesting that was the problem it was how she did it. Sitting on anti aircraft guns used to shoot down American pilots was aiding and abetting the enemy ie. treason.


It seems it didn't meet the definition. Maybe you feel it's treason, and you're entitled to feel that way; I'm entitled to view that position as utterly unreasonable. Based on the given description of her actions, Jane Fonda did nothing wrong.


I did a bit of reading and fact checking and kinda agree with you FXE although maybe she was a tad naive


I agree with FXE and Ferris. The Vietnam War was an incredible tragedy, perpetrated by a criminal, Nixon. It was an undeclared war and Nixon was later exposed as a criminal. There were anti-war protests, huge ones, and Jane was not the only celebrity. It was only way to get us out of the war.

Remember there were no social media, no 24 hour news channels, in fact only 3 channels. The demonstrations and deliberate breaking of laws was the only way to get the anti-war message out.


For what it's worth, the war started well before Nixon was in office. The US 'took over' for France in 1954, by 1964 there were 23 000 US 'advisors' in Vietnam. America's disengagement from the conflict started under Nixon after he was elected in 1968. August 1973 is when the US agreed to withdraw and reunification occurred in '76; Saigon had been captured the year before.


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12 Oct 2019, 10:59 am

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ASPartOfMe wrote:
Activities Requiring Permits - Capital Hill Police
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The United States Capitol Police takes its duty and responsibility to ensure each individual’s rights under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution are protected in a safe and open environment. In accordance with the Traffic Regulations for the U.S. Capitol Grounds, guidelines have been established to ensure events that are held inside the boundaries of the U.S. Capitol Grounds are conducted in a manner that protects public health and safety, while also ensuring the Congressional community can continue to fulfill its legislative responsibilities. Accordingly, demonstration activity is only allowed in designated areas on U.S. Capitol Grounds; please refer to the U.S. Capitol Grounds Demonstration Area Map below for specific information.

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I doubt the penalty will be more then a fine and I would think the statue of limitations if there is one it has run out for the treason she committed in 1972. Well worth it for the publicity and career boost this will give her.


There is no statue of limitation on treason.

Deserve it and should be are two different things. I would not put it beyond Trump to order the Justice Department to try and prosecute her on treason grounds. That would not “own the libs”, it would be counterproductive, it would make her a sympathetic figure because it would be a spiteful prosecution of an 80 year old. The war is long over, the “draft dodgers” were pardoned back in 1977, we have normal relations with Vietnam, a number of Presidents have visited the country.

We really are a bunch of snowflakes grudge holders. Still fighting the civil war, still fighting Vietnam, can’t let go of lost causes. Yes I think she should have been prosecuted but those of us who feel that way lost our cause in back in 1973. The war is long over, the “draft dodgers” were pardoned back in 1977, we have normal relations with Vietnam, a number of Presidents have visited the country, the US lost the war so the wars opponents get to write the history of it, Jane Fonda’s punishment for treason was laughing all the way to the bank, life is unfair deal with it.


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12 Oct 2019, 11:56 am

funeralxempire wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
I didn't realize triggering right-wing snowflakes was a criminal offence.
This goes deeper than that. She betrayed American troops by travelling to Hanoi during the Vietnam conflict to encourage the Viet Cong to fight those same American troops. Then her daddy pulled a few strings to keep her out of jail. She was, is, and always will be a traitor to her country, that's all.


I'm familiar with what she did, and see utterly no issue. America's aggression against Vietnam was the crime, people had a moral obligation to protest.

It was not protesting that was the problem it was how she did it. Sitting on anti aircraft guns used to shoot down American pilots was aiding and abetting the enemy ie. treason.


It seems it didn't meet the definition. Maybe you feel it's treason, and you're entitled to feel that way; I'm entitled to view that position as utterly unreasonable. Based on the given description of her actions, Jane Fonda did nothing wrong.


I did a bit of reading and fact checking and kinda agree with you FXE although maybe she was a tad naive


I agree with FXE and Ferris. The Vietnam War was an incredible tragedy, perpetrated by a criminal, Nixon. It was an undeclared war and Nixon was later exposed as a criminal. There were anti-war protests, huge ones, and Jane was not the only celebrity. It was only way to get us out of the war.

Remember there were no social media, no 24 hour news channels, in fact only 3 channels. The demonstrations and deliberate breaking of laws was the only way to get the anti-war message out.


For what it's worth, the war started well before Nixon was in office. The US 'took over' for France in 1954, by 1964 there were 23 000 US 'advisors' in Vietnam. America's disengagement from the conflict started under Nixon after he was elected in 1968. August 1973 is when the US agreed to withdraw and reunification occurred in '76; Saigon had been captured the year before.


Yes, I was trying to keep it simple. We went into SE Asia in the mid 50s, I believe for tin and tungsten. Under Eisenhower, I think.


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12 Oct 2019, 12:04 pm

A confirmation that Trump is becoming unhinged:

This would result if Trump seeks to prosecute Jane Fonda for treason.



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12 Oct 2019, 12:12 pm

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Yes, I was trying to keep it simple. We went into SE Asia in the mid 50s, I believe for tin and tungsten. Under Eisenhower, I think.


For what it's worth, since I'm generally pretty hard on right-wing politicians/thinkers/figures I try to make sure I don't imply their guilt on matters I know aren't their fault. Attempting objectivity does tend to make topics become over-complicated and unwieldy at times though.


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12 Oct 2019, 4:44 pm

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Yes, I was trying to keep it simple. We went into SE Asia in the mid 50s, I believe for tin and tungsten. Under Eisenhower, I think.


For what it's worth, since I'm generally pretty hard on right-wing politicians/thinkers/figures I try to make sure I don't imply their guilt on matters I know aren't their fault. Attempting objectivity does tend to make topics become over-complicated and unwieldy at times though.


I haven't noticed you being hard on anyone in particular. Your posts as I recall are fair.

Do you think I have been unfair? I try to be even-handed and clear, but find I am still misunderstood by some.


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blazingstar wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
Yes, I was trying to keep it simple. We went into SE Asia in the mid 50s, I believe for tin and tungsten. Under Eisenhower, I think.


For what it's worth, since I'm generally pretty hard on right-wing politicians/thinkers/figures I try to make sure I don't imply their guilt on matters I know aren't their fault. Attempting objectivity does tend to make topics become over-complicated and unwieldy at times though.


I haven't noticed you being hard on anyone in particular. Your posts as I recall are fair.

Do you think I have been unfair? I try to be even-handed and clear, but find I am still misunderstood by some.


I haven't noticed you being unfair, at least in general and I believe you attempt to be fair. Everyone on here deals with being misunderstood by some, some of the time.


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Activities Requiring Permits - Capital Hill Police
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The United States Capitol Police takes its duty and responsibility to ensure each individual’s rights under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution are protected in a safe and open environment. In accordance with the Traffic Regulations for the U.S. Capitol Grounds, guidelines have been established to ensure events that are held inside the boundaries of the U.S. Capitol Grounds are conducted in a manner that protects public health and safety, while also ensuring the Congressional community can continue to fulfill its legislative responsibilities. Accordingly, demonstration activity is only allowed in designated areas on U.S. Capitol Grounds; please refer to the U.S. Capitol Grounds Demonstration Area Map below for specific information.

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All applicants must review the guidelines below and complete the application. All applications must be signed prior to submission.


I doubt the penalty will be more then a fine and I would think the statue of limitations if there is one it has run out for the treason she committed in 1972. Well worth it for the publicity and career boost this will give her.


There is no statue of limitation on treason.


Depends on the number of brain cells of standing politicians and the people who vote for them at the time
https://www.biography.com/news/artists- ... -red-scare
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/peop ... 07646.html

Judging by the quality of the poeple considered treasonous by rat-like republicans we can now laugh at the stupidity of Americans....oh wait...they voted in Trump... :roll:



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funeralxempire wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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Yes, I was trying to keep it simple. We went into SE Asia in the mid 50s, I believe for tin and tungsten. Under Eisenhower, I think.


For what it's worth, since I'm generally pretty hard on right-wing politicians/thinkers/figures I try to make sure I don't imply their guilt on matters I know aren't their fault. Attempting objectivity does tend to make topics become over-complicated and unwieldy at times though.


I haven't noticed you being hard on anyone in particular. Your posts as I recall are fair.

Do you think I have been unfair? I try to be even-handed and clear, but find I am still misunderstood by some.


I haven't noticed you being unfair, at least in general and I believe you attempt to be fair. Everyone on here deals with being misunderstood by some, some of the time.


I appreciate your input. I admire people who can express their thoughts articularly. I get the in general part and will be working on that.


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13 Oct 2019, 8:07 am

Everyone should be arrested at least once... I've met my quota. That being said, I don't wish to repeat.


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Didn't Jane Fonda get an American POW killed by the Veitnamese when he handed her a letter to take back to his family letting them know he was alive and she handed the letter to the guards and they beat this man to death?

That's what I heard.