Washington State uses red flag law to seize guns from Nazi

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Heck! how did you guess the usual folks would use this legitimate use of the law (to actually protect the innocent members public from a potential mass murderer) as an excuse to;
1, attack the government impinging on freedom to carry around guns &
2. try and draw parallels to BLM and Antifa (or any left wing SJWs) as some type of bogey equivalent to mass murdering right wingers.

Any left wing SJW group evert threaten the hair of a conservative right winger....nope....

The minds of those who espouse the values of right wing gun nuts is a scary place. Dylan Roof types who look for people to kill who can't defend themselves are common.

Little black children having a birthday party are at risk from these cowards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L4HpNJHqlQ

The scum couple have children of their own which means they have zero empathy for non-white humans

There's more dangerous "human critters" lurking around that need to be arrested but allowed to walk free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pftPI0CyzlA

Lets hope the Red flag laws arrest more of these types before there's another mass shooting of children

Its important to specify right wing extremists..I kind of have to point it out to avoid being a hypocrite. Just posted earlier that the blanket generalizations are unfair and that goes for using them against right wingers as well. Not sure that was the intent, but they certainly are not all extremists.

Also there are extremists left wingers too and they have threatened conservatives...so that part isn't exactly true. I've certainly heard of online death threats from both sides. I do think the right wing violence is more common, just based on every statistic I look at it appears the right wing extremists are committing more violent acts than left wing extremists, but they are not committing all the violence.

I am very happy to see that white southerners spoke out against the KKK demonstration in favor of those Confederate flag wavers who had threatened those kids.

I might find that more believable if I didn't keep seeing right-wing spelled right-wing so often.

Threat Vs actual deeds are two different things...the right have proven they are capable of killing innocent people

Antifa also want the right to carry guns and obviously they will not be fans of this type of law either.

Kraichie imagine what would happen if a group of ISIS supporters marched outside a trial of an 9-11 islamic terrorist? they would be put in handcuffs and flown straight to Guantanimo bay.

The KKK and other white extremist groups should be treated in exactly the same way as ISIS. They have a 100 year history of killing innocent people (almost certainly their initiation rites would involve violence).

Would like the folks speaking out to canvass their politicians to broaden anti-terror laws to include the white hood gangs

Agreed.

Antifa is on par with new nazis, but meow nazis don’t riot nearly as much. They gather and spew hate so what. Antifa and BLM take over whole cities and destroy things, burn buildings, and assault innocent people. Their terrorist organizations since they use terror to try to achieve political goals. You choose to ignore it cause their left and your left. If you got attacked during one of their riots you’d probably change your mind.

Both groups promote violence. They call for violence and killings.

What is promoting violence? Did this guy have active plans? Did he call for killing people? Or is he just part of the neo nazi group?

Red flag laws are ripe with injustice and corruption. They illegal. Many will die from them too shot by police in their own homes for doing nothing.

The ones in Washington and California allow anyone to file a red flag. And the person loses their rights. Then it’s up to them to get them back. I’m poor I can’t afford a lawyer, I can’t afford court fees. So I’d never get my guns back I’d be same a a felony and never even got due process, based in the hersay of someone I don’t even know. Sounds complete leftist

Red flag laws violate those checks an balances don’t you freaking get it. The due process right is the check and balance and red flag laws say f**k your rights, f**k the constitution. You’re guilty until you can afford to prove yourself innocent and if you can’t then sucks ri be you. Oh and in many causes the reason is how someone feels. How do you disprove that someone feels threatened? Many feel threatened just seeing a gun or Maga hat. That’s not how our justice system is suppose to work.

Weed is federally illegal state law doesn’t trump federal Law, that’s why my state cane say f**k the NFA have all the unregulated machine guns you want. So any federal agent can arrest you for weed and send you to prison. That’s why people who smoke can’t have guns. State weed laws are illegal. Just like Texas were to pass a law saying all federal gun laws are ignored it’d be illegal. How’d you feel if states just ignored the nics checks and let anyone who wants buy a gun not even having to show id?
So no weeds illegal, smoking it is a federal crime. Until congress makes it legal.

If I ever did date I’d have to worry about them red flagging me. If I dumped them. How swell is that.id probably just kill myself if thwt happens, I don’t have money to fight it. There isn’t any justice. for poor gun owners like me.

To me this depends on what the evidence that he was preparing for violent action was. Since the prosecutor filed a legal motion I presume it was substantial beyond him belonging to a Neo-Nazi group and attending some shooting classes.

While very few people will weep for a Neo-Nazi losing his guns (I certainly won't shed any tears), seizing weapons for political ideology alone is a bad precedent.

That white couple were convicted under a law designed to deal with street gang violence. And lets face it, there aren't that many whites who belong to street gangs.

It is a two way street. There are plenty of incidences of black people committing hate crimes against white people. Plenty of black and brown people running around with guns. Making it out to only be a white people problem is misleading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpkPN90FvsY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5QmMcNnqdo

Police seize tons guns from black and brown gang members all the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwLpOkv-mSI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OJ_igGmtRY

Last edited by EzraS on 19 Oct 2019, 9:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Who cares if the law's targeted against street gangs? The couple in question threatened children at a birthday party while driving in a reactionary, Neo-Confederate, Civil War revisionist caravan. Such a group certainly means no good will to blacks or any racial minority. So, yes, they were dangerous as any street gang.

The point is that white people are not the only ones who have stockpiles of guns. And are not the only ones who pose a threat to the safety and well being of the public. I get the feeling that you didn't take 5 minutes to watch the videos I posted and didn't really absorb what I said.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I don't think Kraichie or I are going to object to gangs being targeted by new laws so long as "white gangs" that have been allowed to operate in many southern US states with complicity of police and local politicians are also targeted.

For example the white protestors trying to support the redneck couple (although the man looks like George Zimmerman) obviously think there's nothing wrong with threatening black toddlers with high powered rifles (I notice you carefully avoided the couple's crime and tried to counter it with videos of black people doing bad things). That should send an immediate signal to the police that these characters are likely to also be armed to the teeth and are likely to use their weapons to intimidate or worse.

I still have not heard of antifa or BLM killing anyone, I don't agree with violently rioting in the streets...but so far its the neo-nazis who have actually killed people. Also i don't see how taking guns away from someone who expresses a desire to commit violence or are preparing for some sort of civilian on civilian war translates to cops will shoot you in your own home for doing nothing. That said cops already do shoot people in their own homes for doing nothing...maybe you did not hear about that woman who was shot in her own home because the cops were sneaking around acting like intruders. Cops probably need less guns or better training to use them and civilians who want to start a race war also need less guns.

Also no federal agent is going to come to colorado to arrest me for my half ounce of weed...like what they're going to come all the way here with no cooperation from the colorado law enforcement, I just don;t see it happening.

In addition I would suspect that in the case of someone red flagging someone they would have to investigate it before any legal action is taken. To my knowledge you are not part of any right wing or left wing extremists groups and do not threaten violence upon fellow citizens....so why would you be specifically be targeted by this red flag thing? No one is coming after you. I mean hell even in rape cases the accused party is not immediately arrested and locked up as they have to investigate the allegations, I would have to imagine the red flag thing would be similar...anyone can file a report but it then has to be investigated before weapons can be taken away.

The Trumpfans aren't going to acknowledge the glaringly obvious because it doesn't fit their narrative.

Well I have never spelled it that way and same with plenty of of other liberals, I mean my dad and my brother are both more right wing and I love them, they are my family but its ok not to agree on everything. My main point is we don't need to be making blanket generalizations about each other at least not on this site. I mean its a place for autistic people and we don't all share the same political views so we should not be making blanket generalizations about right wingers or left wingers.

I mean currently I am really liking the presidential candidate Andrew yang, he is even drawing some support from libertarians and right wing leaning people, but he's also seems to keep his distance from all the back and forth drama among republicans and democrats. And that is part of what I respect about him, he's not being divisive I mean even these days I think Bernie and Warren are maybe a little too much about the Us and them mindset but Andrew Yang isn't like that as far as I can tell.