Trump calls Emoluments Clause "phony"

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22 Oct 2019, 7:14 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

Trump said he would do if for FREE.

However, he has to get Congressional approval to "give a gift" to foreign leaders.

He's been hosting world leaders at Mar-a-Lago. How is that OK and this is not?

Because one has nothing to do with the other. Trump chose to not take a salary as President in order to show off how rich he is, while the emoluments clause is the law, regardless, meaning he can't use his office to personally enrich himself dealing with foreign leaders.

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22 Oct 2019, 7:17 pm

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He also said he has lost a lot of money being President instead of running his business. He's making a sacrifice people!

Trump's businesses have been losing money for years before he was ever President.

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22 Oct 2019, 7:45 pm

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Fnord wrote:

Maybe if people stopped picking on DJT so much, he would start behaving more like a sane and mature adult.

Agreed.

I disagree.

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22 Oct 2019, 8:04 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Maybe if people stopped picking on DJT so much, he would start behaving more like a sane and mature adult.

Agreed.

I disagree.

”Maybe” also implies “Maybe not”.

We may never know for certain, either way.

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22 Oct 2019, 8:29 pm

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LoveNotHate wrote:

TRUMP hosts world leaders at his Mar-a-Lago business and that's OK.

This has increased the reputation of this resort, and membership fees have increased.

If he can do this at Mar-a-Lago, then why not at his Miami golf course hotel (Doral)??

It's the same thing.

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22 Oct 2019, 11:52 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
BOTH ARE WRONG! Mar-a-Lago, or anywhere else Trump owns.

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23 Oct 2019, 12:06 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
BOTH ARE WRONG! Mar-a-Lago, or anywhere else Trump owns.

No one seems to be saying letting world leaders stay at Mar-a-Lago is a violation of the Emoluments Clause.

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23 Oct 2019, 12:33 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
BOTH ARE WRONG! Mar-a-Lago, or anywhere else Trump owns.

No one seems to be saying letting world leaders stay at Mar-a-Lago is a violation of the Emoluments Clause.

Actually, they are.

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23 Oct 2019, 1:00 am

Fnord wrote:

Maybe if people stopped picking on DJT so much, he would start behaving more like a sane and mature adult.

Someone who can't be sane or mature in the face of criticism - or anything else - shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a position of power. Much less power over 350 million people.

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23 Oct 2019, 10:12 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
BOTH ARE WRONG! Mar-a-Lago, or anywhere else Trump owns.

No one seems to be saying letting world leaders stay at Mar-a-Lago is a violation of the Emoluments Clause.

Actually, they are.

Who? Where?

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23 Oct 2019, 10:16 am

Emoluments Clause
“A federal officeholder who receives something of value from a foreign power can be imperceptibly induced to compromise what the Constitution insists be his or her exclusive loyalty: the best interest of the United States of America,” the group wrote in its legal filing.

Trump and his attorneys have rejected that idea.

"Although Trump has promised to relinquish management of his companies to his two oldest sons and top executives, he will continue to own the businesses".

"His attorney said Trump will avoid running afoul of the Constitution because his businesses will not be accepting gifts from foreign countries, rather they’ll be accepting payments, for services rendered".

“Paying for a hotel room is not a gift or a present,” attorney Sheri Dillon said at a news conference before his inauguration.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

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23 Oct 2019, 11:19 am

Paying for The President's hotel's room is plainly obvious corruption. Stop making excuses.

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23 Oct 2019, 2:06 pm

cberg wrote:

Paying for The President's hotel's room is plainly obvious corruption. Stop making excuses.

Yet …. so far all lawsuits charging TRUMP of violating the emolument clause have been dismissed.

It's definitely not clear cut like you suggest.

BREAKING: Appeals Court Dismisses Emoluments Clause Lawsuit in Huge Win For President Trump
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/0 ... ent-trump/

Emoluments Lawsuit Against Trump Dismissed
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/22/57279171 ... -dismissed

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23 Oct 2019, 3:11 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
BOTH ARE WRONG! Mar-a-Lago, or anywhere else Trump owns.

No one seems to be saying letting world leaders stay at Mar-a-Lago is a violation of the Emoluments Clause.

Actually, they are.

Who? Where?

What cberg said.

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23 Oct 2019, 3:13 pm

The lawsuits were dismissed because Trump is greaseball enough to get out of lawsuits. You clearly misunderstand how rich New Yorkers operate.

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23 Oct 2019, 4:55 pm

Fnord wrote:

Maybe if people stopped picking on DJT so much, he would start behaving more like a sane and mature adult.

I thought this was sarcasm. My typical misunderstanding hits again.

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