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09 Nov 2019, 7:41 pm

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There's a lot of good in those institutions but there is no longer a free media and the media is part of it. That's the main difference.

The media has always been subject to government interference

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09 Nov 2019, 7:49 pm

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There's a lot of good in those institutions but there is no longer a free media and the media is part of it. That's the main difference.

The media has always been subject to government interference

Not so much government. The deep state. We saw that the only thing pathetic Obama did out of line because of pressure from Europe was the Iran deal but he did nothing when Netanyahu went into Congress and got 55 standing ovations. Then Trump just doesn't play by the rules so must be removed. The media is just the parrot of the deep state. Anyone who does question war must be removed. It's a mixture of Nazism and Sovietism with a latte. I know you've previously said you support the murderous and racist system because of your fear, but it doesn't mean we all will accept it.

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09 Nov 2019, 8:29 pm

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Then Trump just doesn't play by the rules so must be removed.

I doubt it. If Trump really wasn't playing by aforementioned rules the opportunity has presented itself on multiple occasions to have him removed. He is a fairly big target...yet he persists....your guess is as good as mine.

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I know you've previously said you support the murderous and racist system because of your fear, but it doesn't mean we all will accept it.

My position is that we live under the aforementioned "murderous and racist" system so by logic we live by some type of contractual agreement within this system for some level of mutual benefit.

The question of whether we agree or accept the actions of the state is another matter.

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09 Nov 2019, 8:34 pm

cyberdad wrote:

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Then Trump just doesn't play by the rules so must be removed.

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I know you've previously said you support the murderous and racist system because of your fear, but it doesn't mean we all will accept it.

He plays by the rules 90-95%, that's not enough. It must be 100% under the deep state Reich.

Right, I wouldn't have supported my government in Germany or the Soviet Union in the 1930's, you would have.

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09 Nov 2019, 11:31 pm

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He plays by the rules 90-95%, that's not enough. It must be 100% under the deep state Reich.

Must be? where do you come up with these numbers? I'd say he's tolerated given he's still prancing around as POTUS longer than Kennedy did :lol:

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Right, I wouldn't have supported my government in Germany or the Soviet Union in the 1930's, you would have.

What are you trying say John? are you actively trying to subvert the deep state? Most people would comply with a Nazi or Stalinist regime or else they end up in a Gulag or Stalag or concentration camp....

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10 Nov 2019, 10:22 am

Yes. You don't understand. When Trump.was President elect and criticising the intelligence agencies Chuck Shumer warned him and said they have 6 ways on Sunday of dealing with people. It doesn't have to be assassination.

I'd probably have been in there. I work with journalists to spread information.

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10 Nov 2019, 11:40 am

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cyberdad wrote:

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There's a lot of good in those institutions but there is no longer a free media and the media is part of it. That's the main difference.

The media has always been subject to government interference

Yet you can still post there; beside your rants no one has taken you in a gulag, shot you dead or threw you in the sea: don't sound like Nazism or Sovietism to me.

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Right, I wouldn't have supported my government in Germany or the Soviet Union in the 1930's, you would have.

I have doubt on that; to me you seem quite receptive to "anti-system" propaganda working on a lack of perspectives. Hitler raised to power calling out a so-called "global order" to peoples having lost faith in the system. An propaganda not calling on working the real flaws of the system, mind you, but on some unrelated boogeyman in order to take power and build an worst system.

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10 Nov 2019, 12:16 pm

It is done in the manor expressed by Noam Chomsky. Though with regards to Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning it is blatant Nazism. I have to tread on eggs shells here and have been banned from radio shows. People I follow have been silenced. They have to do it in a non blatant way so the stupid and naive don't see it.

What propaganda? You don't need propaganda to make people against blowing others up. People should lose faith in the system. But we must not resort to the techniques of Hitler or the system.

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11 Nov 2019, 12:34 am

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You can't have it both ways...either there is a deep state capable of removing presidents (Kennedy and Nixon for example) or else you don't have a deep state which explains why Trump is twerking while taking selfies of himself on twitter every 5 minutes.

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11 Nov 2019, 8:14 am

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You just don't understand and then do the wise crack thing when you are proven wrong. Maybe you missed the Russiagate hoax started by intelligence hacks and now this Ukraine hoax started by a 'whistleblower' working for the CIA and Democrats.

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11 Nov 2019, 10:25 am

It seems strange that a liberal rag like the NYT is being held up as a paragon of truth by a conservative conspiracist.

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11 Nov 2019, 12:42 pm

Boring. The NYT is just catching up with what anyone informed already knew. Keep moving the goalposts if you want. It probably is due to the 'whistleblower' in the Ukraine hoax is linked to the CIA so they are just getting ahead of the game.

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11 Nov 2019, 6:57 pm

Fnord wrote:

It seems strange that a liberal rag like the NYT is being held up as a paragon of truth by a conservative conspiracist.

I think liberal media admitting there is a deep state is seen as kinda like when tobacco companies finally admitted that cigarettes are harmful.

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12 Nov 2019, 1:33 am

Anyone who speaks of Trump as being separate from whatever it is they call the "deep state" is delusional. Trump's "deep state" just masterminded a coup by a Christian fascist paramilitary group, in alliance with the military there, in Bolivia:

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/11/boli ... o-camacho/

This paramilitary group hates the indigenous Bolivians, came out with trumped up charges of election fraud, and led violent demonstrations that included kidnapping a female mayor who supported Morales and torturing her.

Morales has lifted many poor Bolivians out of poverty, and nationalized the oil industry. In addition, he empowered the indigenous groups of Bolivia. This is what Trump and the right wing, and the "deep state", in America hate.

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12 Nov 2019, 1:36 am

The coup in Bolivia was way too organized to have just been some spontaneous thing. It has been in the planning for a while, and it has the United States written all over it:

This is just like when Allende was overthrown in Chile, who was popularly elected, the US media was conscripted to portray him as the "bad guy" and trumpet the supposed necessity of the coup, as a brutal right-wing regime rose to power in Chile with CIA help. Trump and his regime are pulling the same crap now.

So if you wanna talk about the "deep state", then let's talk about it.

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12 Nov 2019, 1:42 am

beneficii wrote:

history repeating itself....As Shirley Bassey put it...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... in_America

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