Will Trump be pulling a Richard Nixon on us?

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18 Nov 2019, 11:24 am

Basically, until John Dean testified in front of Congress in 1973, Watergate still had at least an even chance of not having any impact upon Nixon personally. He was the guy that really "spilled the beans."

All that's needed now is a "John Dean" type. The "whistleblower" could potentially be, to a lesser extent, a John Dean type.

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18 Nov 2019, 11:25 am

naturalplastic wrote:

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Maybe he just wants to retire to Florida like a zillion others in their 70s do.

What does that have to do with him officially changing his residence right now?

Why now (just as the impeachment hearings are starting)?

He already has domiciles in both places. And presumably he has no plans for retiring, even from his side gig as POTUS, until 2024. And no public plans for retiring from his main gig as a real estate mogul ever. Why not wait unit either 2020, or 2024 (depending upon the next election that he is assumed to be running in)?

Idk maybe he likes to get things settled ahead of time. I'm just saying maybe the reason doesn't involve a lot of intrigue.

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18 Nov 2019, 11:30 am

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Were as many republican politicians calling watergate a sham the way they are ukraingate (the sequel to russiagate)?

At first, yes. But the number gradually declined as the evidence mounted. Watergate took two or three years to play out.

Was watergate something else for three years? That's a difference I'm seeing. Like russiagate didn't pan out so it became ukrainegate, which unlike russiagate they are pushing through like you know what through a goose.

Ukraingate is moving fine without being pushed.

If you say so.

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18 Nov 2019, 11:31 am

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Were as many republican politicians calling watergate a sham the way they are ukraingate (the sequel to russiagate)?

No, the vote was 77-0 to form the Senate Watergate committee.

There was talk of it as a way to overturn an election by the left wing elite coastal media although I do not remember the word “coup” being thrown around.

There was a lot of it is an unfair double standard they are all crooks but he just got caught.

There were two main things that cratered his public support.

The revelation that he got tax or did not pay taxes on his estate. That hurt him because it revealed he was one of the elite he railed about. Opposite of today where Trump is admired for gaming the system

Also opposite of today was the release of transcripts of tapes with all of the “expletive deleted”’s. Hard to image it today but the revelation of a president cursing and talking like a mafia boss legitimately shocked conservatives.
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Initially, Nixon gained a positive reaction for his speech. As people read the transcripts over the next couple of weeks, however, former supporters among the public, media and political community called for Nixon's resignation or impeachment. Vice President Gerald Ford said, "While it may be easy to delete characterization from the printed page, we cannot delete characterization from people's minds with a wave of the hand."The Senate Republican Leader Hugh Scott said the transcripts revealed a "deplorable, disgusting, shabby, and immoral" performance on the part of the President and his former aides. The House Republican Leader John Jacob Rhodes agreed with Scott, and Rhodes recommended that if Nixon's position continued to deteriorate, he "ought to consider resigning as a possible option".

The editors of The Chicago Tribune, a newspaper that had supported Nixon, wrote, "He is humorless to the point of being inhumane. He is devious. He is vacillating. He is profane. He is willing to be led. He displays dismaying gaps in knowledge. He is suspicious of his staff. His loyalty is minimal."The Providence Journal wrote, "Reading the transcripts is an emetic experience; one comes away feeling unclean." This newspaper continued that, while the transcripts may not have revealed an indictable offense, they showed Nixon contemptuous of the United States, its institutions, and its people. According to Time magazine, the Republican Party leaders in the Western U.S. felt that while there remained a significant number of Nixon loyalists in the party, the majority believed that Nixon should step down as quickly as possible. They were disturbed by the bad language and the coarse, vindictive tone of the conversations in the transcripts.

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