30 Jan 2020, 10:31 am
ASPartOfMe wrote:
If autism was the cause of obsession with white supremacy there would be a lot less obsessed white supremacists.
His racism is the cause of his racism.
Autism at most may influence how interests are pursued. See Adam Lanza’s spreadsheet listing every mass school shooting going back to the 1800s.
Any diagnosis come by a defense lawyer hired psychologist needs to be treated with suspicion.
If he was bullied it was not by the people he murdered.
The Autism defense is used way to often and is hurting autistic people by creating yet another stereotype.
His racism is the cause of his racism.
Autism at most may influence how interests are pursued. See Adam Lanza’s spreadsheet listing every mass school shooting going back to the 1800s.
Any diagnosis come by a defense lawyer hired psychologist needs to be treated with suspicion.
If he was bullied it was not by the people he murdered.
The Autism defense is used way to often and is hurting autistic people by creating yet another stereotype.
This.
It's getting really annoying to see sociopathy being represented as autism
30 Jan 2020, 10:33 am
30 Jan 2020, 10:35 am
TheRobotLives wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
I think that he ought to given the noose, after being flogged, just for saying that sociopaths are better than autistics!
But kidding aside..
Apparently, like the Unabomber, Roof would rather die than get off on an insanity plea. But like Kozinski, his lawyers are trying to wrangle an insanity plea for him anyway.
But even if he really were proven to be autistic what does that have to do with his guilt (or lack thereof)?
Autism doesn't interfere with your ability to tell right from wrong.
Having delusions might interfere with your ability to tell right from wrong. But delusions are a symptom of psychosis, and not of autism.
If this becomes a precedent...killers avoiding capital punishment due to autism...that will be a disaster for the autistic community. Autistics should picket and demand the death penalty for him.
But kidding aside..
Apparently, like the Unabomber, Roof would rather die than get off on an insanity plea. But like Kozinski, his lawyers are trying to wrangle an insanity plea for him anyway.
But even if he really were proven to be autistic what does that have to do with his guilt (or lack thereof)?
Autism doesn't interfere with your ability to tell right from wrong.
Having delusions might interfere with your ability to tell right from wrong. But delusions are a symptom of psychosis, and not of autism.
If this becomes a precedent...killers avoiding capital punishment due to autism...that will be a disaster for the autistic community. Autistics should picket and demand the death penalty for him.
Could autism be responsible for his fixation on *white supremacy* ?
Autistic thinking is said to be more rigid, more black and white.
So?
What does that have to do not knowing right from wrong?
You could just as easily argue that "because autism causes obsessions, and black and white thinking, autistics are more likely than NTs to be obsessed with imitating Mother Theresa, and to do charity for the wretched and the poor, therefore autistics should be held to a higher moral standard than NTs and should serve longer prison sentences than NTs for the same crimes (like officers are shot for cowardice when they don't shoot privates)."
30 Jan 2020, 10:39 am
30 Jan 2020, 10:42 am
BenderRodriguez wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
If autism was the cause of obsession with white supremacy there would be a lot less obsessed white supremacists.
His racism is the cause of his racism.
Autism at most may influence how interests are pursued. See Adam Lanza’s spreadsheet listing every mass school shooting going back to the 1800s.
Any diagnosis come by a defense lawyer hired psychologist needs to be treated with suspicion.
If he was bullied it was not by the people he murdered.
The Autism defense is used way to often and is hurting autistic people by creating yet another stereotype.
His racism is the cause of his racism.
Autism at most may influence how interests are pursued. See Adam Lanza’s spreadsheet listing every mass school shooting going back to the 1800s.
Any diagnosis come by a defense lawyer hired psychologist needs to be treated with suspicion.
If he was bullied it was not by the people he murdered.
The Autism defense is used way to often and is hurting autistic people by creating yet another stereotype.
This.
It's getting really annoying to see sociopathy being represented as autism
Dylann Roof himself distinquishes between the two.
In the article he is quoted as saying "I am JUST a sociopath. Im not an autistic. That's for nerds".
We cant have nerds/aspies going around thinking that they are as good as....sociopaths...now can we!?
30 Jan 2020, 10:50 am
30 Jan 2020, 10:50 am
30 Jan 2020, 11:01 am
naturalplastic wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Could autism be responsible for his fixation on *white supremacy* ?
Autistic thinking is said to be more rigid, more black and white.
Autistic thinking is said to be more rigid, more black and white.
So?
What does that have to do not knowing right from wrong?
You could just as easily argue that "because autism causes obsessions, and black and white thinking, autistics are more likely than NTs to be obsessed with imitating Mother Theresa, and to do charity for the wretched and the poor, therefore autistics should be held to a higher moral standard than NTs and should serve longer prison sentences than NTs for the same crimes (like officers are shot for cowardice when they don't shoot privates)."
It's not about "knowing right from wrong".
People can have uncontrollable behavior.
30 Jan 2020, 11:20 am
30 Jan 2020, 11:24 am
30 Jan 2020, 11:27 am
30 Jan 2020, 11:43 am
30 Jan 2020, 11:49 am
TheRobotLives wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Could autism be responsible for his fixation on *white supremacy* ?
Autistic thinking is said to be more rigid, more black and white.
Autistic thinking is said to be more rigid, more black and white.
So?
What does that have to do not knowing right from wrong?
You could just as easily argue that "because autism causes obsessions, and black and white thinking, autistics are more likely than NTs to be obsessed with imitating Mother Theresa, and to do charity for the wretched and the poor, therefore autistics should be held to a higher moral standard than NTs and should serve longer prison sentences than NTs for the same crimes (like officers are shot for cowardice when they don't shoot privates)."
It's not about "knowing right from wrong".
People can have uncontrollable behavior.
Well actually it IS about knowing "right from wrong" if you're talking about the "insanity defense".
But lets go with your notion.
So lets say that something akin to the insanity defense can also be about "uncontrollable behavior".
Again:
So what?
What does that have to do with autism?
I am on the autism spectrum but I don't have an uncontrollable urge to mow down people in churches.
So walk me through your logic.
30 Jan 2020, 12:03 pm
naturalplastic wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Could autism be responsible for his fixation on *white supremacy* ?
Autistic thinking is said to be more rigid, more black and white.
Autistic thinking is said to be more rigid, more black and white.
So?
What does that have to do not knowing right from wrong?
You could just as easily argue that "because autism causes obsessions, and black and white thinking, autistics are more likely than NTs to be obsessed with imitating Mother Theresa, and to do charity for the wretched and the poor, therefore autistics should be held to a higher moral standard than NTs and should serve longer prison sentences than NTs for the same crimes (like officers are shot for cowardice when they don't shoot privates)."
It's not about "knowing right from wrong".
People can have uncontrollable behavior.
Well actually it IS about knowing "right from wrong" if you're talking about the "insanity defense".
But lets go with your notion.
So lets say that something akin to the insanity defense can also be about "uncontrollable behavior".
Again:
So what?
What does that have to do with autism?
I am on the autism spectrum but I don't have an uncontrollable urge to mow down people in churches.
So walk me through your logic.
This is not about an "insanity defense".
This is regarding whether autism played a casual role, and he should be spared the death penalty.
It seems like the arguments presented here suggest, AUTISM CAN NEVER CAUSE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR?
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