09 Apr 2020, 8:15 pm
09 Apr 2020, 8:16 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Tw1ggy wrote:
Pardon me for being my typical cynical self, but seeing the mess that our country has turned into recently with this path we are on to becoming a totalitarian dystopia that insists on dragging the rest of the world to Hell with it, it begs the question: was the Union really worth preserving?
Even if it wasn't, destroying slavery was a worthwhile goal all on it's own. The mistake was failing to follow through with Reconstruction, not defeating people who waged war on the American people to defend slavery. Every time the Union made reconciliation with the south a higher priority than fixing the problems caused by that economic model the Union betrayed it's own goals and values.
Yeah, the north patted itself on the back for a half-assed job immediately before they started to suck up to the racist traitors, but those failures don't make the entire cause flawed, just their pursuit of it.
Why the need for such emotiveness?
You weren't even born when it happened.
I find a more objective mindset pays greater dividends in terms of enlightenment.
Is this a reaction to the anxieties associated with the coronavirus crisis?
Or have you had a "snoot full"?
09 Apr 2020, 8:18 pm
Tw1ggy wrote:
Well I guess next time they'll just have to nuke the hell out of the south killing women and children like they did Japan during WW2 and convince themselves that they were heroes for doing so.
That is one way.
Not my preferred method,
But whatever floats your boat, meh.
09 Apr 2020, 8:22 pm
09 Apr 2020, 8:25 pm
Pepe wrote:
Tw1ggy wrote:
Well I guess next time they'll just have to nuke the hell out of the south killing women and children like they did Japan during WW2 and convince themselves that they were heroes for doing so.
That is one way.
Not my preferred method,
But whatever floats your boat, meh.
That's clearly what the liberals secretly want at this point. And before you get the wrong idea about me no I'm not siding with Trump or those confederate flag-waving rednecks. I don't affiliate with either side. They're both corrupt. Lol
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09 Apr 2020, 8:25 pm
Pepe wrote:
Why the need for such emotiveness?
You weren't even born when it happened.
I find a more objective mindset pays greater dividends in terms of enlightenment.
Is this a reaction to the anxieties associated with the coronavirus crisis?
Or have you had a "snoot full"?
You weren't even born when it happened.
I find a more objective mindset pays greater dividends in terms of enlightenment.
Is this a reaction to the anxieties associated with the coronavirus crisis?
Or have you had a "snoot full"?
Do I sound different then I usually do on this topic?
Maybe you have the luxury if treating these matters with detachment, but considering parts of my family aren't white I tend to take problems caused by white supremacy seriously because they impact people I care about. I don't get to pretend like it's just a disagreement over ideology that has no real world implications.
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09 Apr 2020, 8:27 pm
09 Apr 2020, 8:30 pm
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09 Apr 2020, 8:32 pm
09 Apr 2020, 8:33 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
I somehow feel this is all just a stunt to "own libs, Yankees, and blacks."
More than that, imo.
It is about personal/cultural pride.
It was a difficult time for me, as a half-German, to come to grips with what happened in WWII.
I was a stupid kid and accepted collective guilt for something that happened before I was born.
I'm older, wiser, and more cluey than the average neurotypical bear, now.
I can see the folly of being a slave to cultural attitudes based on illogical/irrational reasoning.
But many NTs don't have in-depth intellectual insight into the human psyche.
They are consumed by their emotional turmoil fed by confusion, feelings of persecution and general insecurity.
Aggressive defiance can manifest in such an environment.
Humans are more complex than most humans realise.
We Vulcans find them "fascinating".
09 Apr 2020, 8:33 pm
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09 Apr 2020, 8:37 pm
kraftiekortie wrote:
We haven’t had a civil war.....since the Civil War.
Can you imagine the confusion for high school kids of the future?
Wait, was that in the Civil War?
No, the other one.
So... it was the Civil War?
No, it was a civil war, but not The Civil War... you know, the great New York-New Jersey war of 2023.
Oh okay, just the Jersey Wars.
Man, I'm just glad you guys didn't do multiple civil wars at once like the Brits did. It really leads to confusion when I meet American Civil War re-enactors.
Oh, I re-enact the Civil Wars, not that little colonial spat.
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09 Apr 2020, 8:39 pm
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09 Apr 2020, 8:42 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I somehow feel this is all just a stunt to "own libs, Yankees, and blacks."
More than that, imo.
It is about personal/cultural pride.
It was a difficult time for me, as a half-German, to come to grips with what happened in WWII.
I was a stupid kid and accepted collective guilt for something that happened before I was born.
I'm older, wiser, and more cluey than the average neurotypical bear, now.
I can see the folly of being a slave to cultural attitudes based on illogical/irrational reasoning.
But many NTs don't have in-depth intellectual insight into the human psyche.
They are consumed by their emotional turmoil fed by confusion, feelings of persecution and general insecurity.
Aggressive defiance can manifest in such an environment.
Humans are more complex than most humans realise.
We Vulcans find them "fascinating".
I, for one never, believed Germans bore any sort of guilt for the war or the death camps, collective or otherwise, except if they were personally involved with causing those things. And I say that because I sincerely believe it, and not just because my people had come from Germany well over a century before.
May I ask, what part of Deutschland did the German half of you come from?
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09 Apr 2020, 8:43 pm
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