11 Apr 2020, 12:51 pm
goldfish21
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11 Apr 2020, 1:01 pm
VegetableMan wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
"Trump is the most dangerous person we could have as president."
DNC: "Hold our keg."
Enter Biden.
Holy f*****g s**t! Now we get to choose between an as*hole and a senile fossil who completely embodies everything that is rotten about our government. This s**t is hilarious!
DNC: "Hold our keg."
Enter Biden.
Holy f*****g s**t! Now we get to choose between an as*hole and a senile fossil who completely embodies everything that is rotten about our government. This s**t is hilarious!
You sure like to complain an awful lot about all of your options for elective representatives for a man who hasn’t run for office. Why haven’t you? Why aren’t you running now?
Because I don't want to be a politician. I suppose I could be like you and ignore the obvious, but I prefer living in the real world.
In the real world, though, people who don’t like things do what’s within their power to change them instead of just complain about them forever.
Sure, I complain about politicians too, but you consistently complain about both major sides And the whole system and yet you never offer up any solutions or do anything yourself to right any of the wrongs you perceive.
Since you don’t want to be a politician I guess your best bet is simply voting for the best candidate you can.
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for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.11 Apr 2020, 1:20 pm
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11 Apr 2020, 1:27 pm
At least you actually participate in the democratic system of government your country has by voting vs just criticizing and not doing what little you can.
Voting = right to complain. Carry on. 
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for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.11 Apr 2020, 1:35 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
At least you actually participate in the democratic system of government your country has by voting vs just criticizing and not doing what little you can.
Voting = right to complain. Carry on.
Voting = right to complain. Carry on.
Even if I didn't vote, I'd still have a right to complain. Voting has become little more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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11 Apr 2020, 2:18 pm
It’s long been a saying that those who don’t vote forfeit their right to complain about politicians in a democracy. Don’t shoot the messenger.
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11 Apr 2020, 2:31 pm
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11 Apr 2020, 2:38 pm
Karamazov wrote:
^ Who by?
Why must a person be required to vote in order to voice an opinion upon the actions and behaviour of those elected?
Is not principled abstention a legitimate, informed political choice?
Why must a person be required to vote in order to voice an opinion upon the actions and behaviour of those elected?
Is not principled abstention a legitimate, informed political choice?
It’s a generations old common saying here. I don’t know it’s origins. It’s intended to get people to vote instead of just b***h about things. Vote for change and make your voice heard vs just complain to deaf ears.
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11 Apr 2020, 2:43 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
^ Who by?
Why must a person be required to vote in order to voice an opinion upon the actions and behaviour of those elected?
Is not principled abstention a legitimate, informed political choice?
Why must a person be required to vote in order to voice an opinion upon the actions and behaviour of those elected?
Is not principled abstention a legitimate, informed political choice?
It’s a generations old common saying here. I don’t know it’s origins. It’s intended to get people to vote instead of just b***h about things. Vote for change and make your voice heard vs just complain to deaf ears.
But what if your vote doesn't really count like over here in the USA with our electorate college and certain states having more voting influence than others? Whoops I meant "Yay freedom!"
*waves annoying little flag in everyone's face*
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11 Apr 2020, 2:47 pm
Tw1ggy wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
^ Who by?
Why must a person be required to vote in order to voice an opinion upon the actions and behaviour of those elected?
Is not principled abstention a legitimate, informed political choice?
Why must a person be required to vote in order to voice an opinion upon the actions and behaviour of those elected?
Is not principled abstention a legitimate, informed political choice?
It’s a generations old common saying here. I don’t know it’s origins. It’s intended to get people to vote instead of just b***h about things. Vote for change and make your voice heard vs just complain to deaf ears.
But what if your vote doesn't really count like over here in the USA with our electorate college and certain states having more voting influence than others? Whoops I meant "Yay freedom!"
*waves annoying little flag in everyone's face*Votes don’t count anywhere. You think voters determine the outcome of elections? No. It’s whoever counts and reports the vote tally.
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for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.11 Apr 2020, 2:49 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
^ Who by?
Why must a person be required to vote in order to voice an opinion upon the actions and behaviour of those elected?
Is not principled abstention a legitimate, informed political choice?
Why must a person be required to vote in order to voice an opinion upon the actions and behaviour of those elected?
Is not principled abstention a legitimate, informed political choice?
It’s a generations old common saying here. I don’t know it’s origins. It’s intended to get people to vote instead of just b***h about things. Vote for change and make your voice heard vs just complain to deaf ears.
It sounds suspiciously like the sort of thing a politician would say.
My RE teacher said it once, someone in class told the head of maths and he got quite cross: “why must I be compelled to support the careers of either pack of self-righteous idiots to be permitted to speak out about the state of my country?”
He left the lesson to go and have an argument with her about it!
I think he had a point really: their actions affect everyone, and therefore are everyone within a given country’s property & concern regardless of voting status (yes, I’m including non-naturalised immigrants, and illegal immigrants there: they may not have a right to vote, but their mere presence gives them an interest in the outcome)
yeah... votes don’t count but you have to cast them to be allowed to voice an opinion
11 Apr 2020, 8:33 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
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I’m not a fan of Mr Trump either: but I think the idea that there is no person on earth who both fulfils the requirements to run for the office he holds and would be worse in the conduct of that office is frightfully optimistic.
I'm sure the Canadians would prefer Xi Jinping to be in control of the most powerful nation on earth.
Ya know because America and Canada share a border.
lol like Canadians get a choice in what Xi does. China has already infiltrated various levels of Canadian government and is buying up unfathomable amounts
of businesses and land in Canada. China will control Canada eventually.
OH NO!
Soy sauce flavoured maple syrup!
11 Apr 2020, 8:35 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Nah, they don’t have boots on the ground here. They don’t need to. They’ve taken over Canada without firing a shot. All they do is just keep sending money. Lots and lots of money. And a few smart people who’s job it is to infiltrate all levels of government, including college/university student governments, and control the narrative about China.
Surprisingly, America is a much bigger investor in Australia, than china.
Who would have thought?
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11 Apr 2020, 8:53 pm
Pepe wrote:
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Nah, they don’t have boots on the ground here. They don’t need to. They’ve taken over Canada without firing a shot. All they do is just keep sending money. Lots and lots of money. And a few smart people who’s job it is to infiltrate all levels of government, including college/university student governments, and control the narrative about China.
Surprisingly, America is a much bigger investor in Australia, than china.
Who would have thought?
Makes sense. America has a lot of investments in private prisons.
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for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.11 Apr 2020, 9:40 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Nah, they don’t have boots on the ground here. They don’t need to. They’ve taken over Canada without firing a shot. All they do is just keep sending money. Lots and lots of money. And a few smart people who’s job it is to infiltrate all levels of government, including college/university student governments, and control the narrative about China.
Surprisingly, America is a much bigger investor in Australia, than china.
Who would have thought?
Makes sense. America has a lot of investments in private prisons.
My ancestry isn't English nor Irish, btw.
11 Apr 2020, 9:47 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
I’m not a fan of Mr Trump either: but I think the idea that there is no person on earth who both fulfils the requirements to run for the office he holds and would be worse in the conduct of that office is frightfully optimistic.
I'm sure the Canadians would prefer Xi Jinping to be in control of the most powerful nation on earth.
Ya know because America and Canada share a border.
lol like Canadians get a choice in what Xi does. China has already infiltrated various levels of Canadian government and is buying up unfathomable amounts
of businesses and land in Canada. China will control Canada eventually.
Australia is also slowly coning under the control of Beijing through economic reliance. Short term thinking leaders in politics and business have been selling Australia's crown jewels to China since the 1960s. Now we are reaping what we sowed.
