This pandemic will lead to social revolutions

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13 Apr 2020, 7:51 pm

It’s fascinating to me that these ancient book clubs still have a huge regular presence in peoples’ lives. Weekly meetings, book club study groups in peoples’ homes, book club video meetings etc.

I’m amazed more people haven’t evolved to these things being more passive in their lives, existing as spiritual beliefs without all the formal ceremonies and time devoted to said book club meetings & discussions.


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13 Apr 2020, 7:54 pm

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It's fascinating to me that these ancient book clubs still have a huge regular presence in peoples' lives...
Then you should have no qualms about joining one.


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13 Apr 2020, 7:55 pm

Fnord wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
It's fascinating to me that these ancient book clubs still have a huge regular presence in peoples' lives...
Then you should have no qualms about joining one.


How do you figure that?

Technically I was baptized in as a member of one as an infant.


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13 Apr 2020, 8:22 pm

When I said sympathy, perhaps you misunderstood how it applies.

There were those who believed removing the military threat would help take the conflict down and negate the need for bloodshed as there were many innocent people involved including children ---who this idiot was using so the military would NOT attack these criminals.

Using women and children as sort of 'come on you're not gonna do this are ya? it'll make you look bad' (which is exactly what happened)
I was in Islamabad when the whole thing took place, I believe, as I remember everyone discussing whether there was a strategy to remove everyone except the rebels before the military could go in. That's what some of the negotiations were about.

He also forced kids to do things so that the military would be less likely to attack.

(The fact that the military spent so long trying to keep from retaliating with bloodshed makes it OBVIOUS they were trying their best to make them give in or see reason.)

And as a siege cannot last forever those people would have to come out and be arrested etc on the spot.

That is where the word sympathy comes in.

There were unrealistic opinions that perhaps this could have ended without violence and people got mad at Musharraff for 'killing his own people' as he was already seen because he allowed USA to bomb a whole province (after evacuation though!). Other cities as well as other countries took in the refugees.

I spoke to one of them who saw his family farm and land for generations bombed on TV. The upheaval of such people whose whole lives were about farming and had orchards etc now having to live in tiny places, split up from family and friends often--working jobs like taxi driving--often in countries where they didn't speak the language--

That is irreparable trauma.

The sympathy also comes in because people believe ruining these innocent people's land was wrong and instead gunning them even if you lose soldiers (as Pak army was doing already) was the way to go--however how can you argue with US who you are dependent on and yet who exacerbates and breaks int'l laws without any restraint regularly?

The Lal Masjid guy capitalized on these things and decided to politicize it.

It's ironic that in Saudi the same thing happened decades ago in Makkah--
with a Saudi rebel group who took the pilgrims (imagine how many) hostage but the Saudi army were able to evacuate them and kill the rebels.


Nobody is more religious than the military who continue to fight Taliban....

so the fact that this guy tried to make it about religion and us vs them was laughable and now that these people continue to about coronavirus is mind-boggling considering that incident?

However I'm sure they see it as them being victims there too, because having such leaders and uneducated + poverty, they cannot see the nuance or wisdom in anything the govt says ever. I'm sure that's what the initial Lal Masjid leader wanted, to generate sympathy.

These clerics presenting it as onnnly 2 options and the funniest part.

Their motive should be obvious NOW to their flock--hello, you are okay to put our lives in danger on TWO fronts--virus, AND implying clashes with military (bcuz no way can anything less handle such stupidity)?
But I guess when you're groomed by manipulators, you can't see that.

edited to add: I may be mixing up the order of events as I heard a lot of opinions in retrospect as well as during


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13 Apr 2020, 8:29 pm

My uncle doesn't do book clubs exactly, it is prayers, dinner and practice reciting with translations and tafsir (explanations of nuances, contexts) and it's all done for charity with money clothes food etc. He gets teachers to come and give kids from poor families free lessons during that time too.

He does it to provide an alternative to Lal Masjid punk types, for poor people too, as he doesn't want them getting preyed upon by those types.


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13 Apr 2020, 8:39 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
It's fascinating to me that these ancient book clubs still have a huge regular presence in peoples' lives...
Then you should have no qualms about joining one.


How do you figure that?

Technically I was baptized in as a member of one as an infant.


I think he was saying since you used the word fascinating, you would join it out of curiosity.


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13 Apr 2020, 10:40 pm

I enjoyed studying and the ceremonies at the Buddhist temple but not so much all the socializing.
I have been able to put what I’ve learned about meditation to good practice.So it was time well spent,
I’m sure others are really missing it more than me, there was always a nice potluck( vegan and meat) and friendly people.
People came from all over the world but not now.


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