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18 Apr 2020, 5:27 pm

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The government is paying people who are temporarily out of a job $2400 a month on top of their regular unemployment. So many min wage workers are getting twice or 3 times what they got working. Sorry it’s so hard to be paid to sit at home.


Does that include you?

No I can’t file for unemployment without losing my ssdi and medicaid.
So I’m on my own to manage the loss of income. Most my coworkers and most those who lost their jobs don’t face such issues. One of my friends I still working 12 hour shifts multiple days a week but he’d get $1500 more a month if he got unemployment instead.

I wish I could get unemployment it’d make my situation easier. Everyone I know is spending their stimulus money on fun things. I have to ration mine to pay bills and food due to losing my income.

Oh and in my state the people on unemployment will also get $195 food stamps a month too.


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18 Apr 2020, 5:48 pm

That seems very unfair, Sly. I can only imagine how frustrated you must feel. In a just world, disabled people would be able to access unemployment assistance without fear of losing their disability assistance.



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18 Apr 2020, 6:14 pm

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The government is paying people who are temporarily out of a job $2400 a month on top of their regular unemployment. So many min wage workers are getting twice or 3 times what they got working. Sorry it’s so hard to be paid to sit at home.


Does that include you?

No I can’t file for unemployment without losing my ssdi and medicaid.
So I’m on my own to manage the loss of income. Most my coworkers and most those who lost their jobs don’t face such issues. One of my friends I still working 12 hour shifts multiple days a week but he’d get $1500 more a month if he got unemployment instead.

I wish I could get unemployment it’d make my situation easier. Everyone I know is spending their stimulus money on fun things. I have to ration mine to pay bills and food due to losing my income.

Oh and in my state the people on unemployment will also get $195 food stamps a month too.


That's sh***y for you and other people in similar situations. For what it's worth I've always been denied disability support when I've applied so so that wasn't a consideration when I applied to get the $2k/month Canada's government is doing, but in general I'm under the impression disability is often nearly impossible to get approved for and when you finally get it keeping it often becomes a huge hassle with it's own built-in costs.

I've got at least until May before my job resumes, but they really can't maintain social distancing in an automotive manufacturing facility so they really shouldn't resume until they know it's safe. :?


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18 Apr 2020, 7:37 pm

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That seems very unfair, Sly. I can only imagine how frustrated you must feel. In a just world, disabled people would be able to access unemployment assistance without fear of losing their disability assistance.


My daughter has been rejected three times for accessing the Australian National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS) yet she is considered too disabled to attend a mainstream highschool? go figure?



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18 Apr 2020, 7:49 pm

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That seems very unfair, Sly. I can only imagine how frustrated you must feel. In a just world, disabled people would be able to access unemployment assistance without fear of losing their disability assistance.


My daughter has been rejected three times for accessing the Australian National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS) yet she is considered too disabled to attend a mainstream highschool? go figure?


In the past I've spoken about how it's unfair to assume people who have had to invest significant time and effort into getting accepted for disability assistance are malingerers, and why it's insulting when people attempt to suggest that's typical. Generally it's hard to get accepted if you should qualify, so let's not pretend most applicants shouldn't qualify.


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18 Apr 2020, 7:57 pm

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Generally it's hard to get accepted if you should qualify, so let's not pretend most applicants shouldn't qualify.


I can't speak for North America but here in Australia the eligibility criteria for disability insurance isn't particularly transparent? I have completely lost confidence in the NDIS when they refuse to provide feedback on why a child with a diagnosis of disability is considered not eligible.



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18 Apr 2020, 10:51 pm

Protesters in Texas, other states demand end to lockdowns day after Trump's 'LIBERATE' tweets

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Protesters demanding an end to shutdown orders gathered in streets and outside several states' capitol buildings on Saturday, a day after President Donald Trump posted a series of tweets calling for demonstrators to "LIBERATE" certain states.

Some of the demonstrators brandished signs with phrases like, "This is tyranny, not quarantine" and "Open now!"

In Texas, the main protest outside the statehouse in Austin was supported by Alex Jones, the personality behind InfoWars, a website widely criticized for pushing conspiracy theories. Some who gathered chanted, "Let us work, let us work."

Demonstrators are often seen waving "Don't Tread on Me" flags and wearing "Make America Great Again" hats.

Many seem concerned with their inability to work due to business closures, a worry spreading across the country as unemployment claims rose to 22 million in one month.


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18 Apr 2020, 11:13 pm

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New Jersey [Governor] Shuts Down Drive Through Tulip Farm, Threatens to Arrest Owner

CREAM RIDGE, NJ – [Democrat] Governor Phil Murphy’s administration today shut down the drive-through tulip farm in Cream Ridge, but allowed the owners to continue selling their tulips to their customers for curbside pickup.

Owner Casey Jansen said his family owned farm makes about a one million dollar annual investment into planting tulips to operate the annual drive-through. This week, he was relayed a message from Attorney General Gurbir Grewal, “No drive through allowed”.

“We planted all these tulip bulbs in the months of October and November. That’s when we make the investment, and my investment is just about a million dollars,” Jansen said in an interview with NJ.com.

Meanwhile, out in Gloucester County, the Dalton Farms tulip drive-through, which is booked solid through the weekend has given a pass by Murphy’s administration.

Jansen claims that he received a letter from the state threatening that two New Jersey State Police officers would be at his farm to arrest him if a single car drove through his field.


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18 Apr 2020, 11:40 pm

And the truth always seems to follow the same pattern
https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus ... -policies/
New Research Shows States With Republican Governors Were Slower to Adopt Social Distancing Policies

Those delays “are likely to produce significant ongoing harm to public health.”



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19 Apr 2020, 7:14 am

Am I allowed to call this kind of person stupid yet?... :roll:


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19 Apr 2020, 7:35 am

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Am I allowed to call this kind of person stupid yet?... :roll:


I'll second the motion. :ninja:


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19 Apr 2020, 10:33 am

It seems our state had such a protest but they all stayed in their vehicles. I can't object to their right to protest if they do it that way.

Ironically, it is not too soon to talk about how existing quarantine rules could be revised. Some businesses are closed at present as "non-essential" but since the closure we have learned more about how to conduct business safely and I think the time has come to look into what sort of rules could be drawn up to allow these businesses to operate. It makes sense to me that a clothing store (to give one example) should be able to operate so long as customers put on a fresh pair of gloves before entering, observe the sort of traffic-flow rules now in place in supermarkets (but only within the last couple of weeks) and of course the clothes would have to be tried on at home. But at present we should only be investigating this sort of thing, not simply giving the all clear.


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19 Apr 2020, 12:09 pm

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It seems our state had such a protest but they all stayed in their vehicles. I can't object to their right to protest if they do it that way.

They aren't allowed to create a traffic jam and block ambulances though. If "antifa" did this the right would be crying for blood. The milatarized cops would probably come in with armored vehicles and open fire on the cars blocking traffic.



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19 Apr 2020, 4:34 pm

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It seems our state had such a protest but they all stayed in their vehicles. I can't object to their right to protest if they do it that way.

They aren't allowed to create a traffic jam and block ambulances though. If "antifa" did this the right would be crying for blood. The milatarized cops would probably come in with armored vehicles and open fire on the cars blocking traffic.

Omfg antifa does traffic jams at regular and are never stopped.
Help even in my town they do it and we’re just told to avoid them as they walk around blocking traffic.
No tanks. No military, police are told to let them do it and stand down.

So no if antifa did this they’d be praised in national news as heroes like they are for everyone of their violent mobs.


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19 Apr 2020, 4:44 pm

MaxE wrote:
It seems our state had such a protest but they all stayed in their vehicles. I can't object to their right to protest if they do it that way.

Ironically, it is not too soon to talk about how existing quarantine rules could be revised. Some businesses are closed at present as "non-essential" but since the closure we have learned more about how to conduct business safely and I think the time has come to look into what sort of rules could be drawn up to allow these businesses to operate. It makes sense to me that a clothing store (to give one example) should be able to operate so long as customers put on a fresh pair of gloves before entering, observe the sort of traffic-flow rules now in place in supermarkets (but only within the last couple of weeks) and of course the clothes would have to be tried on at home. But at present we should only be investigating this sort of thing, not simply giving the all clear.


Walmart won’t even except clothing returns, mean you go home put the shirt on it runs all over your face, then what it didn’t fit so you return it for next person to do the same and get sicK? I hate the clothing sections they so packed(not ada compliment) it’s impossible to not be touched or touch the clothes or other people.

It’s funny they talk about phase one being curbside pickup for stores, and I, like all stores in Oregon have been doing that. Ones who are allowed to be open don’t enforce the social distancing requirement. They put signs on the floor sure but they don’t make anyone do or, no one does it. So it’s void and pointless. Walmart here is busier then it was before this, it’s way more densely packed. Same goes for other stores. All I can do is hold my breath when people get close to me.

At Costco this lady was right behind me like less then foot so I slowed down like ok just pass me, she slowed down, I speed up she speeds up. Is she purposely just trying to go against the distancing?

At another store they have one way aisles. But people sat at ends chatting, you get trapped in aisles.

At fabric store there was lady in front of me and then her daughter came in behind me in aisle just barely big enough for one person. I was trapped. I felt anxious. Then the daughter squeezed by me super close to go talk to her mom and I snuck out past her cart and left the store.

So no I don’t think we should reopen. Florida showed what happens when you do.
People don’t care. people here under lockdown break it and don’t follow rules. If we reopened most people will just go like it’s before and mass gather. Thousands at beaches, thousands at events, it’ll flare up and overwhelm our super fragile medical system.

Look at the plants shutting down that will be every single business. Most businesses will work until too many of their employees get fired due to calling out sick.
Least now they can run with min staff and reduce those getting sick.


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29 Apr 2020, 5:15 pm

Not exactly an anti-lockdown protest but I did not want to start another COVID-19 thread.

Hundreds gather at funeral in NYC, sparking police response and warning from mayor

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Hundreds of people gathered in Brooklyn Tuesday evening for a rabbi's funeral, sparking a stern warning for New York City's mayor and a response from the NYPD. CBS New York reported many could be seen wearing face masks, but they were standing close together.

Mayor Bill de Blasio says "the time for warnings has passed" after a large crowd was found gathering for a funeral in Brooklyn during the coronavirus pandemic. Police officers were on the scene to help with crowd control.

In a tweet, the mayor wrote: "We have lost so many these last two months and I understand the instinct to gather to mourn. But large gatherings will only lead to more deaths and more families in mourning. We will not allow this. I have instructed the NYPD to have one standard for this whole city: zero tolerance."

De Blasio added: "My message to the Jewish community, and all communities, is this simple: the time for warnings has passed. I have instructed the NYPD to proceed immediately to summons or even arrest those who gather in large groups. This is about stopping this disease and saving lives. Period."

No arrests have been made, CBS New York reported.

De Blasio's tweets sparked outrage from City Councilman Chaim Deutsch, who accused the mayor of singling out a single ethnic community, stereotyping and inviting anti-Semitism.


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The NYPD was warned that the funeral of a prominent Brooklyn rabbi would draw a “big crowd” and sent dozens of cops with barricades and light towers — despite a ban on mass gatherings due to the coronavirus pandemic, The Post has learned.

But the situation in Williamsburg got out of hand when mourners surged toward the synagogue because a plan to relay the service over loudspeakers was unexpectedly canceled, a longtime liaison between the Hasidic Satmar community and the NYPD said Wednesday.

Moses Weiser said he “personally spoke” with NYPD Capt. Mark Vazquez before Tuesday’s funeral of Rabbi Chaim Mertz, who reportedly died of COVID-19.

“I asked him to use his resources however he wants to put this together, and he basically told us that we should follow his instructions,” Weiser said.

“We knew there was going to be a big crowd, especially now with no schools open, no yeshivas open — everyone wants to pay their respects to such a man.”

Weiser said Mertz’s synagogue, Tolas Yakov Bais Hamedrash, “originally wanted to have just family” outside “and we would set up speakers down the street a couple of blocks so that people could spread out and listen.”

“But an order came from somewhere to cancel the speakers, I’m not sure where the order came from, and so people started gathering close to see what was going on and to hear,” he said.

Earlier Wednesday, NYPD Commissioner Dermot Shea acknowledged that the department was unable to control the massive crowd that gathered, leading Mayor Bill de Blasio to rush to the scene and oversee its dispersal.
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Gatherings like Brooklyn funeral put cops' 'lives at risk': NYPD commish

“Plans were put in place. A detail was put in place. Unfortunately, when we look back at some of the past incidents, people have been overwhelmingly compliant but there have been a couple of incidents that were not so,” Shea said.


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