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18 Apr 2020, 7:40 pm

Thanks, goldfish.


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18 Apr 2020, 9:47 pm

A number of the "more successful" countries seem to be islands or island-ish for example NZ and AUS, the latter is really just a very big island. Taiwan is an island. Korea is a peninsula but the ROK is essentially an island as it can only be reached by air or sea. Israel, another country that has seemed to do well in this crisis, is almost an island when you consider how little traffic crosses its borders.


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18 Apr 2020, 9:59 pm

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We haven't exactly had a good track record as regards our woman leaders here in the UK but on the whole I would agree with you.


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18 Apr 2020, 9:59 pm

MaxE wrote:
A number of the "more successful" countries seem to be islands or island-ish for example NZ and AUS, the latter is really just a very big island. Taiwan is an island. Korea is a peninsula but the ROK is essentially an island as it can only be reached by air or sea. Israel, another country that has seemed to do well in this crisis, is almost an island when you consider how little traffic crosses its borders.


Not sure why being an island is an advantage? borders can be closed, you simply block trains, planes and automobiles. In Australia you can't cross state borders now.



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18 Apr 2020, 10:08 pm

cyberdad wrote:
MaxE wrote:
A number of the "more successful" countries seem to be islands or island-ish for example NZ and AUS, the latter is really just a very big island. Taiwan is an island. Korea is a peninsula but the ROK is essentially an island as it can only be reached by air or sea. Israel, another country that has seemed to do well in this crisis, is almost an island when you consider how little traffic crosses its borders.


Not sure why being an island is an advantage? borders can be closed, you simply block trains, planes and automobiles. In Australia you can't cross state borders now.


This.

Look at how Austria managed to not mirror the situation to the south in Italy. The alps are a significant barrier much like an ocean, but to some extent it's how well the border closure is enforced, it doesn't need to be physically impenetrable.


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18 Apr 2020, 10:11 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
MaxE wrote:
A number of the "more successful" countries seem to be islands or island-ish for example NZ and AUS, the latter is really just a very big island. Taiwan is an island. Korea is a peninsula but the ROK is essentially an island as it can only be reached by air or sea. Israel, another country that has seemed to do well in this crisis, is almost an island when you consider how little traffic crosses its borders.


Not sure why being an island is an advantage? borders can be closed, you simply block trains, planes and automobiles. In Australia you can't cross state borders now.


This.

Look at how Austria managed to not mirror the situation to the south in Italy. The alps are a significant barrier much like an ocean, but to some extent it's how well the border closure is enforced, it doesn't need to be physically impenetrable.


It probably helps the Austrians aren't touchy-feely either like the Italians. Italians tend to kiss each other on the cheek as a greeting which must have been a swell way for the virus to hop from one person to another....



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19 Apr 2020, 3:57 am

MaxE wrote:
A number of the "more successful" countries seem to be islands or island-ish for example NZ and AUS, the latter is really just a very big island. Taiwan is an island. Korea is a peninsula but the ROK is essentially an island as it can only be reached by air or sea. Israel, another country that has seemed to do well in this crisis, is almost an island when you consider how little traffic crosses its borders.

However, UK is an island. Austria or Czechia are not.
Again, correlation but not determination.


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19 Apr 2020, 4:31 am

The advantage of being an island is that you typically have a lot less airplane traffic than automobile traffic.

And it takes only one infected person to for cycle to repeat all over again.



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19 Apr 2020, 4:36 am

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Women leaders.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/avivahwitt ... n-leaders/

Time for war mongering men to step aside and let problem solvers take the reigns. Matriarchy time. 8)


What about Scott Morrison?
Interesting.
Confirmation bias in evidence, bigtime. :mrgreen:

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South Korea:
• President
Moon Jae-in - male
• Prime Minister
Chung Sye-kyun - male
• Speaker of the National Assembly
Moon Hee-sang - male
• Chief Justice
Kim Myeong-soo - male
• President of the Constitutional Court
Yoo Nam-seok - male


There may be some correlation between female leaders and more effective covid responses - but I don't believe in direct causation, rather common source - maybe e.g. cultures more ready to adapt to new situations.


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South Korea had a MERS outbreak that killed 38 people in 2015. Just the right timing to be prepared in 2019.

They had a "wake up call."


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People who have been burned before have done better this time. :wink:



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19 Apr 2020, 11:22 pm

cyberdad wrote:
MaxE wrote:
A number of the "more successful" countries seem to be islands or island-ish for example NZ and AUS, the latter is really just a very big island. Taiwan is an island. Korea is a peninsula but the ROK is essentially an island as it can only be reached by air or sea. Israel, another country that has seemed to do well in this crisis, is almost an island when you consider how little traffic crosses its borders.


Not sure why being an island is an advantage? borders can be closed, you simply block trains, planes and automobiles. In Australia you can't cross state borders now.


And yet even with closed borders (blocking trains, planes and automobiles), people will still be able to cross: Hence countries putting up physical barriers (walls/fences).

Closing "known"\approved crossing points does not stop people crossing the border at other locations and then progressing overland to a town\city.

I wonder how long until Mexico offers to pay for that wall to stop the "diseased" from the USA travelling south?



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19 Apr 2020, 11:28 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
MaxE wrote:
A number of the "more successful" countries seem to be islands or island-ish for example NZ and AUS, the latter is really just a very big island. Taiwan is an island. Korea is a peninsula but the ROK is essentially an island as it can only be reached by air or sea. Israel, another country that has seemed to do well in this crisis, is almost an island when you consider how little traffic crosses its borders.


Not sure why being an island is an advantage? borders can be closed, you simply block trains, planes and automobiles. In Australia you can't cross state borders now.


And yet even with closed borders (blocking trains, planes and automobiles), people will still be able to cross: Hence countries putting up physical barriers (walls/fences).

Closing "known"\approved crossing points does not stop people crossing the border at other locations and then progressing overland to a town\city.

I wonder how long until Mexico offers to pay for that wall to stop the "diseased" from the USA travelling south?


There’s already been articles in the news about Mexico considering stricter border closures to keep infected Americans out.

Same as the Canadian border is closed to non essential travel. trump wants it opened up along with his economy but Canadians are like “nuh-uh, buddy, no way no how!” I certainly Hope Justin Trudeau can muster even one ball of courage to stand up to the USA on behalf of all Canadians and keep our borders closed to non essential travel until the USA gets their pandemic numbers under control.


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20 Apr 2020, 1:25 am

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I wonder how long until Mexico offers to pay for that wall to stop the "diseased" from the USA travelling south?


Reversal of fortune?



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20 Apr 2020, 3:30 pm

New Zealand’s PM may be the most effective leader in the planet:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... Y-ANW6ze4o

Also, in this article she’s compared to both trump and Obama. The trump reference was expected, but the Obama one was interesting.


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20 Apr 2020, 3:38 pm

Britain is an island...fail

Italy and Spain are both peninsulas -fail

Germany is not an island- success
Austria -not only not an island, but landlocked. -also success.



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20 Apr 2020, 6:02 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
New Zealand’s PM may be the most effective leader in the planet:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... Y-ANW6ze4o

Also, in this article she’s compared to both trump and Obama. The trump reference was expected, but the Obama one was interesting.


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