Joined: 7 Dec 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 6,110 Location: Left WP forever
24 Apr 2020, 8:24 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
It almost sounds like one of those designer heroin substitutes they use in Siberia because they can't get real heroin.I really hope people aren't mainlining this stuff,that could kill them.
You mean inhaling Lysol or that alcohol vaporizer?
If the former lol just no. If the latter, inhaling vaporized alcohol is medically pretty safe to do. It’s also a lot more efficient as you’d get intoxicated faster from a lot lower dose. The reason this hasn’t caught on for the 10-15 years it’s been available is that there isn’t much demand for it. Drinking is a social activity. People prefer to savour a drink and hangout with their friends vs just get hammered as fast and cheaply as possible. Same reason most people prefer to pass a joint around vs stay home and vape weed.
I was referring to injection,like the article talked about.
_________________ Forever gone Sorry I ever joined
Joined: 11 Jun 2013 Gender: Non-binary Posts: 26,635 Location: Australia
25 Apr 2020, 2:14 am
QuantumChemist wrote:
As for the original story, I am just shaking my head that he is allowed to give disinformation like that without repercussions. He is not a qualified individual to make recommendations over chemicals that he understands so little about. Please, someone, teach him some basic science principles. This is very embarrassing to see.
I think it safe to say, He is suffering from: "Illusory Superiority". He needs to know when to stop-the-frack talking.
Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Age: 70 Gender: Male Posts: 35,189 Location: temperate zone
25 Apr 2020, 7:53 am
The POTUS doesn't know the difference between an "antiseptic", and an "antibiotic".
If it kills microbes on a surface, or on an external wound...its an "antiseptic".
If its for killing microbes inside your body its an "antibiotic".
He doesn't grasp the concept that antiseptics don't double as antibiotics because if you injested them they would kill YOU along with killing the microbes inside you.
Joined: 18 Oct 2014 Gender: Male Posts: 2,081 Location: Midwest
25 Apr 2020, 10:17 am
funeralxempire wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
lliam420 wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
Well, I guess the anocure for covid-19 should be pretty darn obvious, then:
alcohol is a great disinfectant and not toxic like lysol. you can't ingest isopropyl and ethyl alcohol used as disinfectants but you can ingest grain alcohol which is just as effective. people drink alcohol to kill parasites when traveling abroad.
Ethyl alcohol is grain alcohol. It is an accumulative poison, meaning one can consume enough to die if the blood alcohol level gets too high. The amount one needs for this depends greatly on the person. People have been known to drink isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) mixed with grain alcohol if they are desperate enough. Methyl alcohol (wood alcohol) blinds you before it kills you, making it a toxic poison. It only take two table spoons of methyl alcohol to kill an adult human.
I happen to be allergic to ethanol and cannot consume it at all. Even skin contact is dangerous to me.
I think he's referring to how ethanol sold for other purposes is denatured. Grain alcohol (or sugar, or potato , the source doesn't matter) is ethanol, but denatured ethyl alcohol isn't safe for drinking.
Ironically the antidote for methanol poisoning is ethanol, which is something that desperate alcoholics, as well as sellers of tampered alcohol in the past both rely on to reduce the harm.
Isopropanol becomes acetone in your liver, analogous to how methanol becomes formaldehyde or ethanol becomes (too lazy to Google).
Denatured alcohol can be returned to drinking quality if the denature gets agent has been carefully removed. How it is removed depends upon what was used to denature it. If the denaturing agent is methanol, it can be removed by fractional distillation. The first fractions off of the distillation will be the methanol. Pyridine and benzene can also be used as denaturing agents. (Benzene is typically used in gasohol fuel blends.) Both chemicals will cause you to vomit if you attempted to drink the solution.
In a 1931 Poisons & Poisoners reference book, there existed Ivy League students who engaged in the act of drinking chloroform to get drunk. They would start by cutting it with ethanol and gradually go to a higher concentration of chloroform. Yes, this habit is deadly and most of the addicts died from this consumption process. Autopsies done on their remains showed holes in their brains, much like that seen in meth users. Drinking Pinesol cleaning solution (common around certain Native American reservations, substitute for ethanol) causes the same issue to happen to addicts.
Well, I guess the anocure for covid-19 should be pretty darn obvious, then:
alcohol is a great disinfectant and not toxic like lysol. you can't ingest isopropyl and ethyl alcohol used as disinfectants but you can ingest grain alcohol which is just as effective. people drink alcohol to kill parasites when traveling abroad.
Ethyl alcohol is grain alcohol. It is an accumulative poison, meaning one can consume enough to die if the blood alcohol level gets too high. The amount one needs for this depends greatly on the person. People have been known to drink isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) mixed with grain alcohol if they are desperate enough. Methyl alcohol (wood alcohol) blinds you before it kills you, making it a toxic poison. It only take two table spoons of methyl alcohol to kill an adult human.
I happen to be allergic to ethanol and cannot consume it at all. Even skin contact is dangerous to me.
I think he's referring to how ethanol sold for other purposes is denatured. Grain alcohol (or sugar, or potato , the source doesn't matter) is ethanol, but denatured ethyl alcohol isn't safe for drinking.
Ironically the antidote for methanol poisoning is ethanol, which is something that desperate alcoholics, as well as sellers of tampered alcohol in the past both rely on to reduce the harm.
Isopropanol becomes acetone in your liver, analogous to how methanol becomes formaldehyde or ethanol becomes (too lazy to Google).
Denatured alcohol can be returned to drinking quality if the denature gets agent has been carefully removed. How it is removed depends upon what was used to denature it. If the denaturing agent is methanol, it can be removed by fractional distillation. The first fractions off of the distillation will be the methanol. Pyridine and benzene can also be used as denaturing agents. (Benzene is typically used in gasohol fuel blends.) Both chemicals will cause you to vomit if you attempted to drink the solution.
In a 1931 Poisons & Poisoners reference book, there existed Ivy League students who engaged in the act of drinking chloroform to get drunk. They would start by cutting it with ethanol and gradually go to a higher concentration of chloroform. Yes, this habit is deadly and most of the addicts died from this consumption process. Autopsies done on their remains showed holes in their brains, much like that seen in meth users. Drinking Pinesol cleaning solution (common around certain Native American reservations, substitute for ethanol) causes the same issue to happen to addicts.