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15 May 2020, 10:55 am

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15 May 2020, 11:20 am

Magna wrote:
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NYC alone would be just behind Brazil.

It’s not the fault of NYC that it’s a great cosmopolitan city. I take pride in that fact.

I’m not going to “seal myself off” by not traveling the world! I hope I am not subject to ignorant comments when I am in a place like Vietnam.

It just so happens that its status as a world hub led to its proliferation of Covid cases. It had not much to do with something wrong that New York did.


I don't think that anyone on this thread is "blaming" New York City for anything.

But a certain New Yorker who became the head of state of a certain country might be to blame for not foreseeing that cities like NYC are likely to traffic in exotic germs - as well as in exotic hard goods and ideas.


Apparently he did if you look at the post four up from yours, but the idea was met with outrage and push back.
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He waited until April 20th to do that. Which makes it both "coals to Newcastle", and "locking the barn door after the horse had been stolen". The US already had 200 thousand cases by that time. And had become one of the leading hotspot of the world, and net exporter of the infection, instead of a net importer. Immigrants would have diluted down the infection rate rather than added to it by that point because the outside world was less infected than the US by that time.



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15 May 2020, 12:52 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Magna wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
NYC alone would be just behind Brazil.

It’s not the fault of NYC that it’s a great cosmopolitan city. I take pride in that fact.

I’m not going to “seal myself off” by not traveling the world! I hope I am not subject to ignorant comments when I am in a place like Vietnam.

It just so happens that its status as a world hub led to its proliferation of Covid cases. It had not much to do with something wrong that New York did.


I don't think that anyone on this thread is "blaming" New York City for anything.

But a certain New Yorker who became the head of state of a certain country might be to blame for not foreseeing that cities like NYC are likely to traffic in exotic germs - as well as in exotic hard goods and ideas.


Apparently he did if you look at the post four up from yours, but the idea was met with outrage and push back.
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He waited until April 20th to do that. Which makes it both "coals to Newcastle", and "locking the barn door after the horse had been stolen". The US already had 200 thousand cases by that time. And had become one of the leading hotspot of the world, and net exporter of the infection, instead of a net importer. Immigrants would have diluted down the infection rate rather than added to it by that point because the outside world was less infected than the US by that time.
It's not just NY,the whole counties approach was "to damn little to damn late" it's the same problem here in MA and Rhode Island is spreading faster than any other state.


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16 May 2020, 9:51 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Each state is actually equivalent to a country; and 3 of them are their own super powers.

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Maybe this is why Trump thinks Obama was born in Kenya.



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24 May 2020, 3:33 pm

If NY state was a separate country, it would have higher CV death toll per million than any existing country, including San Marino.

If US states were counted as separate countries, the first ten by death rate would be:
1. New York 1,503/million US
2. New Jersey 1,254/million US
3. San Marino 1,238/million Europe
4. Connecticut 1,031/million US
5. Massachusetts 924/million US
6. Belgium 801/million Europe
7. Andorra 660/million Europe
8. Spain 615/million Europe
9. District Of Columbia 605/million US
10. Louisiana 578/million US

Of course, reporting systems vary so the rating is not precise but it may give some idea about scale of the problem.


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24 May 2020, 4:32 pm

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Interesting.

Not just number of cases, but the actual number of deaths per capita is high in the US apparently.

The US has the highest number of cases, and of deaths, of any country. But we "make up for it" (so to speak) by having a low number of deaths per number of cases. Spain and Italy have ten or 13 deaths per 100 cases. The whole planet has about seven percent of cases dying, while the US is five-going-on-six percent in death rate of cases. A little below the world average, and higher only than Germany and Austria. And far less than Spain and Italy. But still...the US has only five percent of the world population, but has a third of the cases. So its a small percent of large whole number of cases.



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24 May 2020, 10:28 pm

magz wrote:
If NY state was a separate country, it would have higher CV death toll per million than any existing country, including San Marino.

If US states were counted as separate countries, the first ten by death rate would be:
1. New York 1,503/million US
2. New Jersey 1,254/million US
3. San Marino 1,238/million Europe
4. Connecticut 1,031/million US
5. Massachusetts 924/million US
6. Belgium 801/million Europe
7. Andorra 660/million Europe
8. Spain 615/million Europe
9. District Of Columbia 605/million US
10. Louisiana 578/million US

Of course, reporting systems vary so the rating is not precise but it may give some idea about scale of the problem.


It’s weird that it is in cases per million, yet three of those places don’t even have a million people.


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25 May 2020, 3:04 am

I have moved back to Westchester County NYS which is my home area. The number of CV deaths is at least going down I believe in the NYC metropolitan area unlike the rest of the U.S.A.