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10 Jun 2020, 7:44 am

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It always seemed weird to me that Canada from what I've seen has had more stringent immigration laws historically than the U.S. I'm still irritated by the fact that I personally was denied entry even though it was just going to be a day trip because I was told I didn't have enough money. That was back in the early nineties.

Am I wrong that up to the present, Canada basically requires that a person prove they'll be an uber-citizen in the contributions of their talents in order to emigrate there? Why as a U.S. citizen, can't I decide that I want to live in Canada for no other reason than I want to live in Canada?


They don’t want people coming here and working illegally or abusing our healthcare system etc.......

.....people with no money, no job, no fixed address etc are higher risk to stay illegally, work illegally, commit crimes/smuggling, abuse our healthcare system etc.


I'm 100% certain there will be an explanation as to why it's OK for Canada but not the U.S. so I'll wait for it.



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10 Jun 2020, 1:12 pm

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It always seemed weird to me that Canada from what I've seen has had more stringent immigration laws historically than the U.S. I'm still irritated by the fact that I personally was denied entry even though it was just going to be a day trip because I was told I didn't have enough money. That was back in the early nineties.

Am I wrong that up to the present, Canada basically requires that a person prove they'll be an uber-citizen in the contributions of their talents in order to emigrate there? Why as a U.S. citizen, can't I decide that I want to live in Canada for no other reason than I want to live in Canada?


They don’t want people coming here and working illegally or abusing our healthcare system etc.......

.....people with no money, no job, no fixed address etc are higher risk to stay illegally, work illegally, commit crimes/smuggling, abuse our healthcare system etc.


I'm 100% certain there will be an explanation as to why it's OK for Canada but not the U.S. so I'll wait for it.


Because America wants to have it both ways and you just can’t.

Canada depends on a bunch of legal migrant labour from Mexico and Jamaica etc as well as other temporary foreign workers - but MOST of our short term foreign workers are here on legal permits and are given various rights while they’re here.

The USA depends on mass numbers of illegal immigrants to farm land, harvest crops, do menial cleaning & landscaping jobs etc - entire sectors of the American economy are completely dependent on utilizing illegal (cheap) labour. So, you can’t have it both ways.. use and abuse people and then deny them any rights or healthcare etc. Either they’re valuable contributors to your economy and worthy of equal treatment as human beings Or they’re not and so ship them all out and let your businesses go it alone without them.

It’s the double standard that the USA plays with illegal immigrants that makes it not okay for the USA to then deny these people basic human rights.

As for people approaching the border, no one has said America shouldn’t have immigration laws and shouldn’t deny travellers entry just like every other country does including Canada. International observers just aren’t keen on the whole practice of locking people on overcrowded cages in the desert with no food/water/medicine/soap etc in the inhumane ways that have been all over the news. There’s a big difference between a Canadian border guard denying you entry for a day trip and US Customs licking a kid in a cage or sending them off to some warehouse or losing them in some bizarre foster family system so they never see their parents again.


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10 Jun 2020, 2:14 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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Magna wrote:
It always seemed weird to me that Canada from what I've seen has had more stringent immigration laws historically than the U.S. I'm still irritated by the fact that I personally was denied entry even though it was just going to be a day trip because I was told I didn't have enough money. That was back in the early nineties.

Am I wrong that up to the present, Canada basically requires that a person prove they'll be an uber-citizen in the contributions of their talents in order to emigrate there? Why as a U.S. citizen, can't I decide that I want to live in Canada for no other reason than I want to live in Canada?


They don’t want people coming here and working illegally or abusing our healthcare system etc.......

.....people with no money, no job, no fixed address etc are higher risk to stay illegally, work illegally, commit crimes/smuggling, abuse our healthcare system etc.


I'm 100% certain there will be an explanation as to why it's OK for Canada but not the U.S. so I'll wait for it.


Because America wants to have it both ways and you just can’t.

Canada depends on a bunch of legal migrant labour from Mexico and Jamaica etc as well as other temporary foreign workers - but MOST of our short term foreign workers are here on legal permits and are given various rights while they’re here.

The USA depends on mass numbers of illegal immigrants to farm land, harvest crops, do menial cleaning & landscaping jobs etc - entire sectors of the American economy are completely dependent on utilizing illegal (cheap) labour. So, you can’t have it both ways.. use and abuse people and then deny them any rights or healthcare etc. Either they’re valuable contributors to your economy and worthy of equal treatment as human beings Or they’re not and so ship them all out and let your businesses go it alone without them.

It’s the double standard that the USA plays with illegal immigrants that makes it not okay for the USA to then deny these people basic human rights.

As for people approaching the border, no one has said America shouldn’t have immigration laws and shouldn’t deny travellers entry just like every other country does including Canada. International observers just aren’t keen on the whole practice of locking people on overcrowded cages in the desert with no food/water/medicine/soap etc in the inhumane ways that have been all over the news. There’s a big difference between a Canadian border guard denying you entry for a day trip and US Customs licking a kid in a cage or sending them off to some warehouse or losing them in some bizarre foster family system so they never see their parents again.
Damn,I'm disapointed,I was going to go get beat up by a cop then claim my free summer home in Northern Canada.The Seal meat,the throat singing,you got my hopes up :lol:


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10 Jun 2020, 2:28 pm

I actually want to go to Baffin Island and hike there.



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10 Jun 2020, 2:32 pm

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I actually want to go to Baffin Island and hike there.
That would be a lot fun,indeed!


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10 Jun 2020, 2:35 pm

but in reality how are the winters in Nova Scotia is the real issue? :D


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10 Jun 2020, 2:39 pm

It’s not that cold in Nova Scotia, actually. The problem there is more snow/rain than cold.

It’s frequently over zero Celsius there in mid-winter.



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10 Jun 2020, 2:46 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Magna wrote:
It always seemed weird to me that Canada from what I've seen has had more stringent immigration laws historically than the U.S. I'm still irritated by the fact that I personally was denied entry even though it was just going to be a day trip because I was told I didn't have enough money. That was back in the early nineties.

Am I wrong that up to the present, Canada basically requires that a person prove they'll be an uber-citizen in the contributions of their talents in order to emigrate there? Why as a U.S. citizen, can't I decide that I want to live in Canada for no other reason than I want to live in Canada?


It’s the same at the US border - if you can’t prove you have any money and or/ties back to your own country to return to then US customs can deny ppl entry just the same. Canada Customs & Immigration will deny people entry for a “day trip,” if they have no $ because they can’t probe they can support themselves should they stay in Canada longer then the day trip they’re claiming. They don’t want people coming here and working illegally or abusing our healthcare system etc. You may have had the purest of intentions of just visiting for a day and returning to the USA, but it’s at the officer’s discretion to decline people entry when they have the potential to overstay their welcome.. people with no money, no job, no fixed address etc are higher risk to stay illegally, work illegally, commit crimes/smuggling, abuse our healthcare system etc. People who can prove they have the money to support themselves for a visit and that they have a home life and job ties in the USA to return to are likely to almost always just visit and then go back to the USA as promised.

Canada is like any other country - it’s a corporation. Canada doesn’t require you to be an “uber-citizen,” just a Net gain. Immigration approvals are based on a merit points system where points are given based on criteria that make someone more valuable to our economy. An educated young person with an in demand skilled trade would fare much better than an older academically educated person with no money. Canada admits people who can work, build our country, and generate or pay taxes. It’s basically a business decision. That’s why people on disability have next to no shot - they’d cost us money vs make us money. And plumbers have a better shot than MBA’s (unless you have money and are bringing it with you) We have plenty of educated people here, but not enough skilled hands.

Alternatively, if you are independently wealthy and can prove you can finance your entire life here forever then you can just buy your way in like so many others have.


No question that certain companies, certain individuals (almost exclusively upper class coastal elites) as well as Executive and Legislative branches of government (federal, state and local) have not followed immigration laws that are already in place and as such, it's created the issues we have today. Semantics are used for obvious reasons (e.g. undocumented worker vs. illegal immigrant/alien), but the fact is that someone coming into any country with immigration laws and not using the proper channels to do so are breaking the law and any company or individual assisting in that process is also breaking the law.

I do my part to minimize the amount of goods I purchase that may have been made in part by illegal immigration. For example, I do not buy meat from the grocery store. I eat very little of it and the meat I do buy I buy solely from a nearby organic farm. I know for a fact that there is no illegal labor on that farm because it's operated solely by a husband and wife who live there. I grow, can, dehydrate or freeze most of our fruits and vegetables now with the goal of doing so to the point of being nearly non-dependent on store bought produce.

It is a problem in the U.S. I personally have taken action in my own life and through my own efforts to remove myself from that equation as much as possible and will continue to do so. A main reason I do this is because I'm not in favor of the exploitation of the workers who are here illegally and as such are taken advantage of by those certain companies and individuals along with the certain executive and legislative branches of government who are complicit in the exploitation of the workers.



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10 Jun 2020, 2:50 pm

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It’s not that cold in Nova Scotia, actually. The problem there is more snow/rain than cold.

It’s frequently over zero Celsius there in mid-winter.


Thank you that is nice to know. It gets regularily below 32 degrees fahrenheit
here during the winter . :roll:


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10 Jun 2020, 2:55 pm

It can get pretty cold there, too.....but it’s quite rare for it to get below 0 Fahrenheit.

Nova Scotia has an oceanic climate. The Midwest has a continental climate.



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10 Jun 2020, 3:35 pm

Nova Scotia has a Bostonian climate,north of New Foundland you have the line where cold currents from the arctic meet warm currents from Africa and this causes a lot of mirages in the ocean.North of that line is where cold currents prevail it gets very cold.


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10 Jun 2020, 3:44 pm

always thought of Boston as being pretty cold ..........not too brave to face harder winters than what i have already .. but i do enjoy getting bundled up for cold ,, its just the getting unbundled gives me the chills


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10 Jun 2020, 3:52 pm

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It can get pretty cold there, too.....but it’s quite rare for it to get below 0 Fahrenheit.

Nova Scotia has an oceanic climate. The Midwest has a continental climate.

OOpps misread this to be 0 degrees Celcius .......... yikes .
yes we have days here below zero every winter.
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10 Jun 2020, 4:36 pm

@Magna or anyone else wanting a short trip to Canada: Even if you have no money to prove you have the means to support yourself while in Canada, if you want a day trip, come prepared with documentation proving you have ties to the USA that will necessitate your timely return. Like a rental agreement, mail with your residential address on it, proof of employment or income even if from SSI that you’ll have to be stateside to receive (checks in the mail vs direct deposit) and even things like proof of commitments for social events or volunteer work. Proof that you’ll have to be back in the USA to attend a wedding you’ve responded to, or a class/seminar, or some volunteer job shift - literally anything that shows you’re going to be returning back to the USA shortly because you have ties there, a home, an income to earn or at least must be in the USA for, social or other commitments you’ll be back in town for - even a text message from a friend you plan to have lunch with in a couple days etc. At least if you’re prepared to show all your cards and prove to the officer that you genuinely just want to sightsee for a day and then return home they’ll be WAY more likely to take your word for it. And if they suggest you’re over prepared to prove you’re not going to over stay your welcome, simply tell them you’ve been declined entry before for not having $/proof that you’re just taking a day trip and/or read about others having those difficulties so decided to be proactive and bring documented evidence that proves you’ll be returning to the USA so that you don’t get denied entry and can’t come up to have some poutine and maple syrup or whatever :p


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10 Jun 2020, 5:42 pm

I’ve been to Canada many times. All I had to show was my passport. They would ask me my purpose for being there. I would tell them. They then stamped my passport. I either went through Niagara Falls, or Massena, NY.

I’m sorry, Magna, that you had a crappy Canadian border officer. I don’t believe most border officers would treat you that way. Just tell them where you are going in Canada, and for what purpose.