White dude get's pummelled for using the n-word

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18 Jun 2020, 4:30 am

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There are clearly boundaries to how people conduct themselves. The salesman was busy on the phone and probably thought the customers wouldn't hear him muttering under his breathe.

Again how does one conduct themselves? I would wait till the guy is off his phone, it is rude to interrupt, The black guy might be applying the "customer is always right" cliche and salespeople are supposed to be there to help customers not talk to their buddies on the phone.

But should he have beaten the guy? probably not....that's assault....pretty serious offence and even if he is a racist I wouldn't want him to suffer PTSD. But who am I to project my sensibilities on an angry young black man who uses the #blackpower

Dude can't beat up members of the public for uttering things under their breathe....jail is the only solution

Sadly, people like this of any race never accept that their actions are wrong, even after they caught and charged. Anything that makes them angry, even if the anger is deserved, has to result in violence, and even if they go to jail they're just going to blame other people for it. At least if this gets taken seriously they'll be taken off of the streets for a bit.


Sometimes its deserving
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ogize.html


Assault is never justified. We’re you a bully in school? Most of us aspies on here where bullied by people who thought it was justified and deserving. It’s upsetting to see such talk here.


Me no, I certainly wasn't an alpha male at school. The popeyes dude was asking for trouble but I was being tongue in cheek. Nobody deserves an ass whipping.



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18 Jun 2020, 4:31 am

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I was basing this in the same way that every incident where it is a "PoC" as the victim of a "non PoC" is automatically assumed to be racist, using the same logic, this must also have been racist. The fact that the attacker was using "racist" terms when referring to the victim also contributed to this belief.

After all, treating the same (or similar) circumstances in different ways due to the reversal of roles based on the race of the people involved would be racist to begin with.

If the races of the people involved were switched, this would be front page news as an example of a racist attack - As such, to not appear racist, I have to believe it was a racist attack.

I assumed so, but how is doing the same exact thing going to make anyone take this seriously? I can agree that if the races were switched this would probably get more attention (which this still could get, the story seems very new, so lets hope it gets proper attention), but I personally don't believe stooping to that level is going to bring any justice. It honestly usually does the opposite and those types of people just use it as an excuse to laugh at cases like this and ignore them.


I was using it as a way to demonstrate the utter hyporcracy (and (un)concious racism) of those who see (and are so urgent to point out) supposed racism when it suits their agenda, yet are silent when the same (or similar) situation occurs with reversed roles - either BOTH situations are racist, and so should be treated the same way, or neither is.

Otherwise, the term is without value and its use should be discontinued.



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18 Jun 2020, 5:33 am

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I was using it as a way to demonstrate the utter hyporcracy (and (un)concious racism) of those who see (and are so urgent to point out) supposed racism when it suits their agenda, yet are silent when the same (or similar) situation occurs with reversed roles - either BOTH situations are racist, and so should be treated the same way, or neither is.

Otherwise, the term is without value and its use should be discontinued.

Ah, fair enough.



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18 Jun 2020, 6:48 am

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Disturbing video footage has been posted online of a white man being brutally bashed inside a department store for allegedly using a racial slur while talking on the phone.
The unverified footage, said to be from Flint, Michigan, appears to have been originally posted to Facebook on Monday by a rapper called FT Quay.
This not the whole video but Me and bro in the mall n sh*t and he ask this man otp did this shirt look to little he told him yea and kept talking on the phone then mumbled talking bout sum ‘no one just sum n*****’ he thought we ain’t hear em because his mask was on #blackpower,” he wrote.
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-ame ... dab4ee61c2

Well I supposed I wouldn't want a saleperson to refer to me as the n-word when I was asking them for help. What's a brother to do? (shrug emoji)


So, when can we expect the media outrage over this racist assault on a person who was speaking on their phone (or are some "races" more "equal" than others)? After all, they were obviously the victim of a racist attack based on the footage supplied.

Thanks for posting this.

Please remember that trolling and behaviour intended to provoke other members is against WrongPlanet rules. Accusing people of racism when by all accounts they were responding to being racially abused certainly qualifies.



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18 Jun 2020, 4:36 pm

I keep reading words like "brutally" and "beating" and "pummeled" - but I didn't see anything of the sort in the video. Nobody got "beat up". Nobody got "brutally bashed". Dude said something stupid and got some fear put in him as a result. He ain't even get hurt. He just learned a lesson. If you're gonna ride the Stupid Train, don't be surprised if someone punches your ticket.

May not have been the ideal course of action, but hardly as horrifying as it's being made out to be.



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20 Jun 2020, 12:35 am

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He just learned a lesson. If you're gonna ride the Stupid Train, don't be surprised if someone punches your ticket.


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20 Jun 2020, 12:50 am

The kids learned the wrong lesson.

Like Trayvon, they'll eventually run into a Zimmerman.


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20 Jun 2020, 12:54 am

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I keep reading words like "brutally" and "beating" and "pummeled" - but I didn't see anything of the sort in the video. Nobody got "beat up". Nobody got "brutally bashed". Dude said something stupid and got some fear put in him as a result. He ain't even get hurt. He just learned a lesson. If you're gonna ride the Stupid Train, don't be surprised if someone punches your ticket.

May not have been the ideal course of action, but hardly as horrifying as it's being made out to be.


I keep seeing people post that the victim of the attack said something (and so is accused of racism), yet all I hear is the attacker in the video saying the "offensive" word...I'd suggest attacking someone (as is shown in the video) is most certainly not an ideal course of action, and deserves punishment (via legal system).

Otherwise you open the door to anyone having the ability to assualt another person and claim a "racist"/"sexist"/... term was used.

Not that I would condone violence even if someone were to take offence to words spoken to (or about) them.

In the current environment, the fact there is no real evidence (as opposed to hearsay) demonstrating the prior interaction between the 2 people (All I have seen is what looks like an unprovoked attack) leads me to doubt the truth of the supposed "racist" statement having been made.



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20 Jun 2020, 1:08 am

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In the current environment, the fact there is no real evidence (as opposed to hearsay) demonstrating the prior interaction between the 2 people (All I have seen is what looks like an unprovoked attack) leads me to doubt the truth of the supposed "racist" statement having been made.

There's no evidence, however, based on the video I think it's likely he did say [N WORD].

1. This is Flint, MI it's possible the [N WORD] is local slang for "dude". So, it might be common for this man to refer to random people as "dude" or [N WORD].

2. The kid says [N WORD] every punch, so, it seems like he is echoing what he thinks he heard, and the punches are retaliation.

3. The man says "I am sorry" based on the kid saying [N WORD]. So, the man seems to understand the kid took offense to [N WORD].


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20 Jun 2020, 1:19 am

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In the current environment, the fact there is no real evidence (as opposed to hearsay) demonstrating the prior interaction between the 2 people (All I have seen is what looks like an unprovoked attack) leads me to doubt the truth of the supposed "racist" statement having been made.

There's no evidence, however, based on the video I think it's likely he did say [N WORD].

1. This is Flint, MI it's possible the [N WORD] is local slang for "dude". So, it might be common for this man to refer to random people as "dude" or [N WORD].

2. The kid says [N WORD] every punch, so, it seems like he is echoing what he thinks he heard, and the punches are retaliation.

3. The man says "I am sorry" based on the kid saying [N WORD]. So, the man seems to understand the kid took offense to [N WORD].


Equally possible: He could be saying "sorry" as an attempt to get the attacks to stop, not having (or being able to find) another way to try to "calm down" the attacker?

Sadly, it seems much of the community (and media) have regressed from the notion of "innocent until proven guilty", and now prefer mob "justice" where facts (or lack thereof) only matter when it supports one (their) side, rather than looking objectively at ALL available evidence.



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20 Jun 2020, 2:28 am

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In the current environment, the fact there is no real evidence (as opposed to hearsay) demonstrating the prior interaction between the 2 people (All I have seen is what looks like an unprovoked attack) leads me to doubt the truth of the supposed "racist" statement having been made.

There's no evidence, however, based on the video I think it's likely he did say [N WORD].

1. This is Flint, MI it's possible the [N WORD] is local slang for "dude". So, it might be common for this man to refer to random people as "dude" or [N WORD].

2. The kid says [N WORD] every punch, so, it seems like he is echoing what he thinks he heard, and the punches are retaliation.

3. The man says "I am sorry" based on the kid saying [N WORD]. So, the man seems to understand the kid took offense to [N WORD].


Equally possible: He could be saying "sorry" as an attempt to get the attacks to stop, not having (or being able to find) another way to try to "calm down" the attacker?

Sadly, it seems much of the community (and media) have regressed from the notion of "innocent until proven guilty", and now prefer mob "justice" where facts (or lack thereof) only matter when it supports one (their) side, rather than looking objectively at ALL available evidence.


So, there's no real evidence, EITHER WAY, as to what happened before, but you'll still invent reasons as to why the attack must be unprovoked, even though there's no proof, EITHER WAY. DESPITE proof that he is "sorry", yet somehow *that* also gets run thru the interpretation mill and out pops the invented what-if that "Equally possible: He could be saying "sorry" as an attempt to get the attacks to stop, not having (or being able to find) another way to try to "calm down" the attacker?", even though there's no evidence to support that other than blind supposition, and at least some evidence that he is sorry, cos he said he was sorry. I don't buy the excuse that he was just saying sorry to get him to stop as some sort of last ditch attempt. Not being able to find another way? He barely tried nything at all before going straight to sorry.

People who get randomly hit usually say thing like "what was that for" or "what the eff" or "what did I do", a few times before they start randomly blurting out things like they forgot a safeword or something. Dude went almost straight to "i'm sorry". He knew what he was apologizing for.



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20 Jun 2020, 2:39 am

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Dude went almost straight to "i'm sorry". He knew what he was apologizing for.


Common sense suggests this. But as robot mentioned you can't go around beating up every white person who uses the n-word otherwise you might run into a George Zimmerman or (even worse) an off duty cop.



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20 Jun 2020, 4:56 am

I'd hardly call a few light jabs "getting beat up". Using Zimmerman or an off duty cop as examples as to why POC should be careful is a pretty disgusting example, since Zimmerman arguably murdered a kid for no reason, and cops, off duty or otherwise, shouldn't be using the N word in the first place for any reason.

The idea in general that POC should watch out because they might run into " a zimmerman or an off duty cop", is kinda messed up. It's how society usually tells POC to stay in line. The fact that society just accepts that POC shouldn't do certain things because of the consequences, without even acknowledging that the consequences themselves are messed up and unequal, is messed up.

Besides, you don't have to hit EVERY dummy who doesn't know there are some words you shouldn't say. After two or three, other people tend to get the clue and stop doing it too.

Maybe I'm just old skool - play stupid games, win stupid prizes.



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20 Jun 2020, 10:41 am

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So, there's no real evidence, EITHER WAY, as to what happened before, .


The store has its' own footage of what happened beforehand (confirmed by the police) and they concluded that it was unprovoked.

Edit: The store's statement "“Violence in the workplace of any kind is unacceptable. All the materials from the evening have been reviewed and it is clear that the attack was unprovoked”



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20 Jun 2020, 11:07 am

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So, there's no real evidence, EITHER WAY, as to what happened before, .


The store has its' own footage of what happened beforehand (confirmed by the police) and they concluded that it was unprovoked.

Edit: The store's statement "“Violence in the workplace of any kind is unacceptable. All the materials from the evening have been reviewed and it is clear that the attack was unprovoked”

One of the kids said the man said [N word] through his mask to another person on a phone conversation.

The video cannot determine that, unless it shows he was not on his phone.


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20 Jun 2020, 11:12 am

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I'd hardly call a few light jabs "getting beat up". Using Zimmerman or an off duty cop as examples as to why POC should be careful is a pretty disgusting example, since Zimmerman arguably murdered a kid for no reason, and cops, off duty or otherwise, shouldn't be using the N word in the first place for any reason.

Trayvon was killed (legally), because he punched someone who had a gun.


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