Judges dismiss Trump claims in Georgia, Michigan

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06 Nov 2020, 9:49 am

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^Complaining about the presidential results from a sitting president is almost unprecedented. Jimmy Carter and other one term presidents who were defeated, didn't threaten lawsuits but gave in gracefully. But Trump cares little for due democratic processes.

Alternatively, he could be complaining about due democratic processes not being followed, through the prevention of what would normally be an "observed"\transparent action instead taking place behind closed doors (to think, had the observers been allowed in from the start, there wouldn't have been cause for the lawsuits to begin with).

And had the same hapened in Florida, with Mr Biden's team having no access to observe counting, I'd expect him to launch lawsuits over that as well...

If the President was truly concerned about voter fraud, why has he not called for those issues in all states, including the ones he won? He wants to pick and choose what are problem areas in the voting. He is also trying to put pressure on the Supreme Court to help him, yet they are bound by the Constitution to what they can do.

All claims of concern by politicians about voter fraud, voter disenfranchisement, and voter suppression are hypocritical. What they are concerned about is not these things but these things costing them elections. If voter fraud was helping them they would be mute about it or would claim the other side is making it up.

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06 Nov 2020, 11:08 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Counting ballots without observers has been done in America since the start, because we don't have a significant history of voter fraud.

Incorrect. Election observers, including observers from both major parties, are a standard practice here in the U.S.A., and are one of the reasons why we don't have a significant history of voter fraud. See Policies for Election Observers on the website of the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The Trump campaign is alleging that standard procedures aren't being followed. But an international Election observer says no evidence for Trump’s fraud claims.

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The very notion of massive voter fraud was charged by the right when trying to keep down the minority vote. Trump joined the same BS chorus. If Trump was winning we wouldn't be hearing any of these charges.

Agreed.

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06 Nov 2020, 12:03 pm

Brictoria wrote:

you may have noticed they are related to observers not being permitted while ballots were opened and counted, which is something almost every other country permits (and which is legislated for in at least one of the states where the observers were prevented from entry), and is very unusual to see being prevented in a "democratic" country.

I believe his case [sic] involved a bunch of people turning up and demanding to be allowed to observe the ballot counting, which was refused. Observing is, of course, permitted - but one has to apply in advance of the vote, not just turn up and demand. Plus there has to be a reasonable limit on the number of observers - some of the counting appears to take place inside quite small locations.

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06 Nov 2020, 12:09 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Yes indeed - and especially as Trump's own investigations turned up nothing of significance. Trump appears to have, umm, "forgotten" about that.

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06 Nov 2020, 2:55 pm

Trump is, obviously, a sore loser.

He didn't deserve a second term. He will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents, ever. Probably only above James Buchanan and Warren Harding.

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10 Nov 2020, 1:37 am

Some of the cases currently running (and some finalised ones):

There is one interesting one in Pennsylvania, which is described in some detail, and while not neccesarily affecting the result this year, it could impact future elections (which is an important detail about any of the cases and the potential clarification\precedents they may set).

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10 Nov 2020, 9:12 pm

Another Michigan lawsuit, which is underway, described:

PDF of lawsuit being explained in the video, with attached exhibits (78 pages, including covers) should be available at https://greatlakesjc.org/wp-content/uploads/Complaint-Costantino-FINAL-With-Exhibits.pdf if anyone wishes to read it.

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