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From memory, she was asked what her *biggest* concerns were.
The weren't about "Australia day, the flag or the changes in the constitution."
That was the point of the video.

Also, there was another representative of the aboriginal community, in the video, supporting what was said.

In addition to this video, I have seen many examples of people pointing out how the *real* issues are being ignored.
Google Jacinta Nampijinpa Price and Nyunggai Warren Stephen Mundine.



Could you find an example of where he actually says or implies this?

But, once again, listen to the aboriginal women, in the video.

Presumably, you are saying this is due to racism.
From what I understand, this isn't the case.
Is there another possible reason, other than racism?

Once again, listen to the women in the video.



I don't understand the point you are making.
It seems you are supporting what I am saying.
Could you clarify?



I watch a lot of political commentary, on a daily basis.
There is a lot of supportive commentary, by others, who are saying the same as the *women* in the video.
Google the two aboriginal people I provided to cyberdad, and get their POV.

Many of the problems, in the aboriginal community, are fuelled by alcohol, poverty, lack of education, and hopelessness.

Sorry, I should have known Australia has no racism! Silly me.

Don't get me wrong, I am not diametrically opposed to the idea that urban "light skinned" aborigines have largely controlled the policy around aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders. Its also true that remote aboriginal communities have been left out of policy development and are not well represented in groups advocating for changes at a federal level.

However, many of the communities targeted by the rebel media dude in rural/regional areas are recipients of large amounts of money from mining companies based on land rights/mining leases. There is also eco-tourism and farming so its not like they are sitting around campfires sniffing glue and committing crime like what the rebel media dude is insinuating.

I agree the issues the lady bought up are real concerns (no dispute there) but its disingenuous to use these disqualify other matters relating to the constitution, Australia day and the national anthem.

One thing I am certain is that rebel media offered no solutions for why aborigines are incarcerated at higher rates than wh***y or live 15 years less or experience higher levels of youth suicide, domestic violence or unemployment. More reasonable heads in both labor and liberal have tried addressing these issues and not succeeded.

Giving police more powers to arrest aboriginal males is a band aid and doesn't address the underlying problem.

not to mention intergenerational trauma stemming from systematic genocide and racism

Which fuels alcoholism, drug abuse and domestic violence.
It's a vicious circle.
Breaking it will require much more than some changes in the anthem.
I was thinking of education but without trust, education is just dog training.

Yes, you have to listen to people. Moreover, you have to make people feel listened to. In lengths.

Sarcasm noted.

Why are you taking things so emotionally?
Can't we have a rational conversation?

No need to be uncivil.
Present your point of view.
Neither one of us is going to change the world, after all.

If all else fails, let us agree to disagree.
Simples.

The solution appears to be creating an environment that is both a combination of inclusiveness but also flexibility to allow more autonomy to allow aboriginal people to have more control over the future of their own communities.

While it's obvious to me that when you're poor, your husband is an alcoholic and your son is in jail, you don't think of the anthem lyrics as the most important issue - popular appreciation of Aboriginal culture would probably help a bit with the hopelessness. Like, Aboriginal oral stories. They are marvelous, really! The world should listen to them and appreciate whatever is left of them!

There actually *is* a huge social issue, in the broader Aboriginal community, based on my sources, my reasoning abilities, and life experiences.
Just my opinion, but I am entitled to have one, no?



My understanding is that he didn't dismiss the other issues.
The entire video focused on what was in the forefront in the minds of, particularly, female Aboriginies.

From what I understand, domestic violence is a big problem, in some areas, which contributes greatly to the incarceration rate.
If I am wrong, provide evidence, or it is simply my opinion against someone else's.

Why would I make things up?
What narrative would I be investing in?



See above.



I haven't heard anything about giving police more powers.

The underlying problem *seems* to revolve around domestic violence, and it is the Aboriginal women who will lose out if ideology interferes with the reality of the situation, assuming the situation I have described is actuality.
At this point, I haven't seen anything to make me think differently.

I have been saying, for decades, that proper education is the key.
There is also the problem of the children being indoctrinated into resenting the "White Invasion".

I was horrified to learn that the Australian Government took away the Aboriginal's children at one point, no amount of compensation can rectify such a heinous policy.

I think that the issue is much deeper. Similar to the Native Americans, the Bedouin in my country, the Aboriginals had (have?) an extremely rich and deep culture, rituals and ancient knowledge, an intense respect for nature and all life forms. Along came "civilization," they laughed at this wisdom and forbade it, declared it "primitive" or restricted its practice, replacing it with nothing but exploitation and addictive consumerism, a life devoid of meaning. When you take away faith and wisdom, treat the indigenous population like animals, strip them of their self-respect, then all that remains is an empty shell devoid of purpose and meaning, and the descent to crime, drugs and alcoholism is swift. I hope that their spirit will be rekindled, I hope the indigenous people of Australia and the world, will write books, inspire us, show us how to respect life and nature because they have so much more to offer than the culture which has been inflicted on us in the western world, which is crumbling around us as we speak. There can be no sufficient amends to be made by society to the Aboriginals, the crime of dehumanization and invalidation and its consequences are too immense.

If you look at the actual records from the time, it was not a case of all Aboriginal children who were removed, though, nor was there any policy requiring it. Rather it was only those whose poor living conditions (or neglect, which was particularly common in the case of those who were 1/2 Aboriginal) who were removed, in much the same way that "Family services" would remove any child in similar circumstances today.

Having a relative (my mother-in-law's partner) who, along with his siblings, was removed from his parents, it is interesting to compare his experience (both before being removed, and how he sees his life now compared towhat would have occurred had he not been removed) with the popular fictions spread in the media.

My mother was also brought up on an Aboriginal mission, which her parents managed, and it was also intersting, at my Grandfather's funeral, having an opportunity to speak to those members of the mission who travelled to be there, and to hear their stories as well...

As a side note, based on my discussions with some of the affected people, I do wonder: Would those people of Aboriginal descent, who claim to have a feeling of "loss" as a result of being removed, be willing to return to their old communities, giving up their jobs/lifestyles, and remain with their "tribe" or family in those communities, or as seems probable based on their words/actions, do they want financial "restitution" whilst making no effort to "reunite" themselves with the family\"tribe" which they claim to be so distraught at having been previously removed from?

That's interesting Bric. I once taught using an article that stated that the Aussie gvt had apologised to the aboriginals for taking their children, therefore I assumed it had been a mandatory policy.

To me it's obvious why drugs and booze ate higher in the poor because being poor is stressful. You overwork to make ends meet, you need to self medicate somehow to stay sane so you function and not break down. You can't afford prescription meds so you self medicate for anxiety and depression. Working more than 40 hours a week and have no days off would burn anyone out. No one should have to work 16 hours a day, 7 days a week to make ends meet and to please the anti welfare.