Biggest Lie of Our Century - WHO Vindicates China
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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord, He's asking common sense questions, not scientific questions...
... which he answers himself. This is typical of people who have their own agendas to advance.The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
No investigator waits a whole year before investigating something, come on, you don't have to be a scientist to find this very odd.
They do when the person who holds the purse-strings denies them the funding and the permission to launch an investigation -- they did not "wait" to investigate; ex-President Trump made sure that they would be unable to find out the truth during his administration. Doing so would have discredited HIS narrative regarding the "Wuhan Flu".That some people still believe to Trump's lies only shows how pernicious such lies can be.
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Here what the experts objectively think on this:
Quote:
Difficult job
A year on from when Wuhan entered lockdown, after the city has been repeatedly scrubbed and sanitized to wipe out any trace of the virus, there is skepticism over just how much the team of investigators will be able to uncover.
"It's very challenging for anybody to find out the cause of this," said Jin Dongyan, a virology professor at the University of Hong Kong. "It would be very difficult now to obtain any first line evidence to investigate the origin of the SARS-COV-2 and the index cases of Covid-19. It's really challenging. And I doubt these international experts can find anything. I'm not very optimistic."
To what extent the Chinese authorities are willing to cooperate is unclear, particularly as even senior health officials have begun to question whether the virus originated in Wuhan, advancing the "multiple origins" theory that was first put out by the country's propaganda organs in an apparent attempt to deflect blame over the initial handling of the pandemic.
Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations, said that whether the WHO teams' trip would be successful "depends a lot on how much the government is willing to be cooperative and accommodating in terms of sharing the research, allow them to have access to places of interest, talking to people they want to speak with."
"The main problem is that this issue itself has been so politicized, makes it really difficult to conduct independent, transparent, thorough investigation," Huang said, adding that "the international society should also maybe lower their expectations, have a more realistic understanding of what this trip entails, especially given that they plan to wrap up the study in a few months, really we should not expect something magical."
A year on from when Wuhan entered lockdown, after the city has been repeatedly scrubbed and sanitized to wipe out any trace of the virus, there is skepticism over just how much the team of investigators will be able to uncover.
"It's very challenging for anybody to find out the cause of this," said Jin Dongyan, a virology professor at the University of Hong Kong. "It would be very difficult now to obtain any first line evidence to investigate the origin of the SARS-COV-2 and the index cases of Covid-19. It's really challenging. And I doubt these international experts can find anything. I'm not very optimistic."
To what extent the Chinese authorities are willing to cooperate is unclear, particularly as even senior health officials have begun to question whether the virus originated in Wuhan, advancing the "multiple origins" theory that was first put out by the country's propaganda organs in an apparent attempt to deflect blame over the initial handling of the pandemic.
Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations, said that whether the WHO teams' trip would be successful "depends a lot on how much the government is willing to be cooperative and accommodating in terms of sharing the research, allow them to have access to places of interest, talking to people they want to speak with."
"The main problem is that this issue itself has been so politicized, makes it really difficult to conduct independent, transparent, thorough investigation," Huang said, adding that "the international society should also maybe lower their expectations, have a more realistic understanding of what this trip entails, especially given that they plan to wrap up the study in a few months, really we should not expect something magical."
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/26/asia ... index.html
Fnord wrote:
Matthew Tye is an English teacher, not a doctor and certainly not an epidemiologist. His only claim to "expertise" on the matter is his 10 years of living in China and being married to a Chinese woman. Other than that ... bupkis.
Uh... blank unless pretty kick*** picture suggested?
That's what bupkis means on TV Tropes
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I am not surprised that red-state people with no medical background whatsoever will let YouTube do their thinking for them and deny the validity of reports by medical experts when those reports contradict their favorite mythological narratives (e.g., conspiracy theories).
What the guy did in this video is called critical thinking, don't dismiss it just because it's on youtube.
1- Why after 1 year?
2- Why only 3 hours in lab
3- Don't you find that the fact that Wuhan lab did studies on bat-coronaviruses is an odd coincidence?
THIS ^^^
blackomen wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The big question is though, why did the WHO waited for a whole year to start the investigation in Wuhan?
And if it really escaped the lab, do you think the Chinese regime would keep the traces there and let them find out?
C'mon.
And if it really escaped the lab, do you think the Chinese regime would keep the traces there and let them find out?

That alone raises a lot of alarm bells. And I think the WHO wasn't allowed in early in the pandemic.
I mean, theoretically, it's entirely possible that China's completely innocent but it certainly isn't behaving in a way that would support that claim.
The problem is, that place has no credibility, and this has been established for decades.
Even before the dictator took over, the sharemarket data figures/estimates from that place were met with derision.
Morrison stuffed up big time in sticking Australia's neck out for ultimately no gain and a massive deficit in the form of attacks on Australia's economics.
Good one, Scomo.
That place has obligations under the trade act but thumbs its nose at civil/legal convention whenever it likes, with virtually no consequences.
"Might makes right" has always been the rule when it comes to humanity.
Bloody infantile, but what can you do? <shrug>
Australia is slowly weaning itself off the 'red state', and finding new markets.
It is about bloody time that the greed of big business gets reined in.
Fnord wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord, He's asking common sense questions, not scientific questions...
... which he answers himself. This is typical of people who have their own agendas to advance.The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
No investigator waits a whole year before investigating something, come on, you don't have to be a scientist to find this very odd.
They do when the person who holds the purse-strings denies them the funding and the permission to launch an investigation -- they did not "wait" to investigate; ex-President Trump made sure that they would be unable to find out the truth during his administration. Doing so would have discredited HIS narrative regarding the "Wuhan Flu".That some people still believe to Trump's lies only shows how pernicious such lies can be.
You have an unusually strong need to defend 'the red state', no matter what the context.
Just an observation.
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Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord, He's asking common sense questions, not scientific questions...
... which he answers himself. This is typical of people who have their own agendas to advance.The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
No investigator waits a whole year before investigating something, come on, you don't have to be a scientist to find this very odd.
They do when the person who holds the purse-strings denies them the funding and the permission to launch an investigation -- they did not "wait" to investigate; ex-President Trump made sure that they would be unable to find out the truth during his administration. Doing so would have discredited HIS narrative regarding the "Wuhan Flu".That some people still believe to Trump's lies only shows how pernicious such lies can be.
You have an unusually strong need to defend 'the red state', no matter what the context.
Just an observation.
He sounds like a Tankie, aka a right winger who thinks he's a left winger.
Quote:
A tankie is anyone that defends authoritarian state-capitalist dictators and the atrocities they've committed and continue to commit.
The term was originally coined when the USSR sent Russian T54 tanks into Budapest, Hungary on the 4th of November 1956 to suppress a worker uprising. Factories had been taken over nationally by workers councils, in a demonstration of worker self-organization that was at odds with the Soviet's imperialist rule. The Soviet troops eventually suppressed the uprising and restored their rule. Then the USSR sent the tanks in to invade Czechoslovakia in 1968, and Afghanistan in 1979. A decade later, in 1989, tanks were similarly used by another state-capitalist regime to crush student dissidents in Tiananmen Square in China.
Anarchists use the word "tankie" to describe any supporter of authoritarian regimes that claim to be socialist. "Red fascist" is another popular term used in this context. The exception is Hitler's "national socialists", who are simply referred to as fascists. Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler initially represented himself as a socialist; realizing that appropriating socialism would be useful to gain popular support. Of course, his genocidal actions had nothing to do with establishing socialism, and his so-called "national socialist" ideology was just another form of collectivist-capitalism.
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blackomen wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord, He's asking common sense questions, not scientific questions...
... which he answers himself. This is typical of people who have their own agendas to advance.The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
No investigator waits a whole year before investigating something, come on, you don't have to be a scientist to find this very odd.
They do when the person who holds the purse-strings denies them the funding and the permission to launch an investigation -- they did not "wait" to investigate; ex-President Trump made sure that they would be unable to find out the truth during his administration. Doing so would have discredited HIS narrative regarding the "Wuhan Flu".That some people still believe to Trump's lies only shows how pernicious such lies can be.
You have an unusually strong need to defend 'the red state', no matter what the context.
Just an observation.
He sounds like a Tankie, aka a right winger who thinks he's a left winger.
Quote:
A tankie is anyone that defends authoritarian state-capitalist dictators and the atrocities they've committed and continue to commit.
The term was originally coined when the USSR sent Russian T54 tanks into Budapest, Hungary on the 4th of November 1956 to suppress a worker uprising. Factories had been taken over nationally by workers councils, in a demonstration of worker self-organization that was at odds with the Soviet's imperialist rule. The Soviet troops eventually suppressed the uprising and restored their rule. Then the USSR sent the tanks in to invade Czechoslovakia in 1968, and Afghanistan in 1979. A decade later, in 1989, tanks were similarly used by another state-capitalist regime to crush student dissidents in Tiananmen Square in China.
Anarchists use the word "tankie" to describe any supporter of authoritarian regimes that claim to be socialist. "Red fascist" is another popular term used in this context. The exception is Hitler's "national socialists", who are simply referred to as fascists. Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler initially represented himself as a socialist; realizing that appropriating socialism would be useful to gain popular support. Of course, his genocidal actions had nothing to do with establishing socialism, and his so-called "national socialist" ideology was just another form of collectivist-capitalism.

blackomen wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord, He's asking common sense questions, not scientific questions...
... which he answers himself. This is typical of people who have their own agendas to advance.The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
No investigator waits a whole year before investigating something, come on, you don't have to be a scientist to find this very odd.
They do when the person who holds the purse-strings denies them the funding and the permission to launch an investigation -- they did not "wait" to investigate; ex-President Trump made sure that they would be unable to find out the truth during his administration. Doing so would have discredited HIS narrative regarding the "Wuhan Flu".That some people still believe to Trump's lies only shows how pernicious such lies can be.
You have an unusually strong need to defend 'the red state', no matter what the context.
Just an observation.
He sounds like a Tankie, aka a right winger who thinks he's a left winger.
Quote:
A tankie is anyone that defends authoritarian state-capitalist dictators and the atrocities they've committed and continue to commit.
The term was originally coined when the USSR sent Russian T54 tanks into Budapest, Hungary on the 4th of November 1956 to suppress a worker uprising. Factories had been taken over nationally by workers councils, in a demonstration of worker self-organization that was at odds with the Soviet's imperialist rule. The Soviet troops eventually suppressed the uprising and restored their rule. Then the USSR sent the tanks in to invade Czechoslovakia in 1968, and Afghanistan in 1979. A decade later, in 1989, tanks were similarly used by another state-capitalist regime to crush student dissidents in Tiananmen Square in China.
Anarchists use the word "tankie" to describe any supporter of authoritarian regimes that claim to be socialist. "Red fascist" is another popular term used in this context. The exception is Hitler's "national socialists", who are simply referred to as fascists. Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler initially represented himself as a socialist; realizing that appropriating socialism would be useful to gain popular support. Of course, his genocidal actions had nothing to do with establishing socialism, and his so-called "national socialist" ideology was just another form of collectivist-capitalism.

Brictoria wrote:
blackomen wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord, He's asking common sense questions, not scientific questions...
... which he answers himself. This is typical of people who have their own agendas to advance.The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
No investigator waits a whole year before investigating something, come on, you don't have to be a scientist to find this very odd.
They do when the person who holds the purse-strings denies them the funding and the permission to launch an investigation -- they did not "wait" to investigate; ex-President Trump made sure that they would be unable to find out the truth during his administration. Doing so would have discredited HIS narrative regarding the "Wuhan Flu".That some people still believe to Trump's lies only shows how pernicious such lies can be.
You have an unusually strong need to defend 'the red state', no matter what the context.
Just an observation.
He sounds like a Tankie, aka a right winger who thinks he's a left winger.
Quote:
A tankie is anyone that defends authoritarian state-capitalist dictators and the atrocities they've committed and continue to commit.
The term was originally coined when the USSR sent Russian T54 tanks into Budapest, Hungary on the 4th of November 1956 to suppress a worker uprising. Factories had been taken over nationally by workers councils, in a demonstration of worker self-organization that was at odds with the Soviet's imperialist rule. The Soviet troops eventually suppressed the uprising and restored their rule. Then the USSR sent the tanks in to invade Czechoslovakia in 1968, and Afghanistan in 1979. A decade later, in 1989, tanks were similarly used by another state-capitalist regime to crush student dissidents in Tiananmen Square in China.
Anarchists use the word "tankie" to describe any supporter of authoritarian regimes that claim to be socialist. "Red fascist" is another popular term used in this context. The exception is Hitler's "national socialists", who are simply referred to as fascists. Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler initially represented himself as a socialist; realizing that appropriating socialism would be useful to gain popular support. Of course, his genocidal actions had nothing to do with establishing socialism, and his so-called "national socialist" ideology was just another form of collectivist-capitalism.


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Fnord wrote:
If any of you sinophobes have the courage of your convictions, AND the evidence to back them up, then why are you arguing your cases where doing so does practically nothing except rile other people up?
Misrepresentation.
Attempt at character assassination.
Please stop antagonising people.
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