Trump says he'll come back to challenge Meghan Markle

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17 Mar 2021, 3:37 pm

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Would she even be eligible, given her British citizenship?
She is an American citizen.  As of January 26, 2020, Meghan Markle had reportedly given up on her bid to become British citizen.

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 This Marie Claire Article 


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17 Mar 2021, 7:52 pm

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Never heard of her.

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Never heard of her, either.


How nice it must be not to have read a newspaper in the last 3 years. I was sick of seeing headlines about them long before it was fashionable.


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17 Mar 2021, 8:09 pm

↑ Meh.  It is likely just the Media hyping another "Scandal" in their ongoing effort to cater to the basest interests of the gossip-hungry public.

Still, I would not mind if Harold and Meghan were my next-door neighbors.  They seem like nice people who are simply fed up with all the unwanted and completely unnecessary publicity surrounding them.


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17 Mar 2021, 8:10 pm

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Still, I would not mind if Harold and Meghan were my next-door neighbors.  They seem like nice people who are simply fed up with all the unwanted and completely unnecessary publicity surrounding them.


It would also mean you're rich AF. 8)



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17 Mar 2021, 8:12 pm

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From a historical perspective, 2024 would be a very unfortunate time for her to run.

2025 (when inaugration would occur) is the 250th anniversary of the start of the war of independence, so should she run (and win), there would be a member of the royal family living in the white house at that time... Whether that would have a bearing on people's voting intentions (or on campaigning against her, challenges to her eligibility, etc.) could be interesting to see, and Harry may feel somewhat unwelcome at events commemorating the anniversary should she win.

Good point.

I'm also wondering if it would even be constitutional for her to run for U.S. President. Article I, Section 9, of the Constitution doesn’t allow a public office holder to receive a foreign title or similar honors without the consent of Congress. So she might need a special act of Congress to be allowed to run for President, in the first place.

It also seems to me to be a bit of a conflict of interest for anyone with such a strong tie to a foreign government to run for U.S. President. Yes, we're on friendly terms with the U.K. anyway, but still....


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17 Mar 2021, 8:20 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
From a historical perspective, 2024 would be a very unfortunate time for her to run.

2025 (when inaugration would occur) is the 250th anniversary of the start of the war of independence, so should she run (and win), there would be a member of the royal family living in the white house at that time... Whether that would have a bearing on people's voting intentions (or on campaigning against her, challenges to her eligibility, etc.) could be interesting to see, and Harry may feel somewhat unwelcome at events commemorating the anniversary should she win.

Good point.

I'm also wondering if it would even be constitutional for her to run for U.S. President. Article I, Section 9, of the Constitution doesn’t allow a public office holder to receive a foreign title or similar honors without the consent of Congress. So she might need a special act of Congress to be allowed to run for President, in the first place.

It also seems to me to be a bit of a conflict of interest for anyone with such a strong tie to a foreign government to run for U.S. President. Yes, we're on friendly terms with the U.K. anyway, but still....


For that matter, was Ted Cruz eligible in 2016?


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17 Mar 2021, 10:03 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Would she even be eligible, given her British citizenship?


Oddly enough that may not be a problem.

Its where you were born that seems to matter to the constitution.Not where you spent your adult life so much.

The constitution mandates that you have to be "a natural born US citizen, over 35 years age, and have resided in the US for at least 14 years."

So if you're Arnold Schwartznegger, born in Austria, but live long enough in the US to become a movie star and a state governor, you still cant run for POTUS.

But Meghan Markle was born in LA, so her brief stint as a British Royal may cause other problems (that foreign title thing), but not a citizenship issue. You can be born here, move to another country, become a citizen of that country, and still move back, and run for POTUS as far as I know.



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17 Mar 2021, 10:13 pm

Mikah wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Never heard of her.

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Never heard of her, either.


How nice it must be not to have read a newspaper in the last 3 years. I was sick of seeing headlines about them long before it was fashionable.


Yes. Never read a paper, and never looked at current WP threads about Pierce Morgan/Oprah et al. Not saying anyone has to give a darn about her and Harry. But its impossible to have "never heard of Meghan Markle".


But as Fnord said, she and Harry seem nice. No reason to actively dislike them. Dont see how she is qualified for POTUS though.



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18 Mar 2021, 2:39 am

US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Well I'm not a constitutional lawyer but the Duchess of Sussex (who stopped using the name “Meghan Markle” two years ago) is eligible to run for President, as she meets all the requirements set forth in the US Constitution i.e. she was born in the US and lived in the US > 14 years She would have to put a hold any application for British citizenship until after she was out-of-office (assuming she won).



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18 Mar 2021, 3:06 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
From a historical perspective, 2024 would be a very unfortunate time for her to run.

2025 (when inaugration would occur) is the 250th anniversary of the start of the war of independence, so should she run (and win), there would be a member of the royal family living in the white house at that time... Whether that would have a bearing on people's voting intentions (or on campaigning against her, challenges to her eligibility, etc.) could be interesting to see, and Harry may feel somewhat unwelcome at events commemorating the anniversary should she win.

Good point.

I'm also wondering if it would even be constitutional for her to run for U.S. President. Article I, Section 9, of the Constitution doesn’t allow a public office holder to receive a foreign title or similar honors without the consent of Congress. So she might need a special act of Congress to be allowed to run for President, in the first place.

It also seems to me to be a bit of a conflict of interest for anyone with such a strong tie to a foreign government to run for U.S. President. Yes, we're on friendly terms with the U.K. anyway, but still....

Oops! I meant Article 1, section 8, not section 9:

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[8] No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

It's unclear to me whether this also means a person who already holds such a foreign emolument, office, or title, is thereby also disqualified to run for President or other federal office, without the consent of Congress.


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18 Mar 2021, 3:07 am

cyberdad wrote:
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

It's not clear to me whether this is the only relevant section of the Constitution, however. See my previous post.

What is certain is that, if she runs as a Democrat and gets elected, the Republicans will then challenge the election on grounds of Article 1, section 8. The Supreme Court will then have to decide the matter.


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18 Mar 2021, 3:20 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

It's not clear to me whether this is the only relevant section of the Constitution, however. See my previous post.

What is certain is that, if she runs as a Democrat and gets elected, the Republicans will then challenge the election on grounds of Article 1, section 8. The Supreme Court will then have to decide the matter.


But the point is she doesn't hold that title anymore. She a commoner now.



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18 Mar 2021, 3:59 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
From a historical perspective, 2024 would be a very unfortunate time for her to run.

2025 (when inaugration would occur) is the 250th anniversary of the start of the war of independence, so should she run (and win), there would be a member of the royal family living in the white house at that time... Whether that would have a bearing on people's voting intentions (or on campaigning against her, challenges to her eligibility, etc.) could be interesting to see, and Harry may feel somewhat unwelcome at events commemorating the anniversary should she win.

Good point.

I'm also wondering if it would even be constitutional for her to run for U.S. President. Article I, Section 9, of the Constitution doesn’t allow a public office holder to receive a foreign title or similar honors without the consent of Congress. So she might need a special act of Congress to be allowed to run for President, in the first place.

It also seems to me to be a bit of a conflict of interest for anyone with such a strong tie to a foreign government to run for U.S. President. Yes, we're on friendly terms with the U.K. anyway, but still....

Oops! I meant Article 1, section 8, not section 9:

Quote:
[8] No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

It's unclear to me whether this also means a person who already holds such a foreign emolument, office, or title, is thereby also disqualified to run for President or other federal office, without the consent of Congress.


On a simple reading of this, she would be clear, I would think...
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No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States:

She isn't being granted any title by the United States, so moot.
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And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

She doesn't hold an "Office of Profit or Trust", so would also be clear here. Even were she to accept such a position, the later portion relates to a person's ability to accept a "present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind", not their ability to retain such an "item" previously accepted, which would be the case here.

So I believe she could run while retaining her current title: "Duchess of Sussex", but doing so would be potentially hazardous as a result of how others (both in Primaries and in general election) would use it against her... That is of course on the basis her title isn't rescinded by herself or the United Kingdom - Harry's title of "Prince" may be more problematic should she run, though, and easier to "exploit" by her opponents.



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18 Mar 2021, 5:51 am

Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Donald Trump says he would strongly consider running again in 2024 if Meghan Markle threw her hat in the ring, saying he’s “not a fan of hers”.
<<snip>>
Would Americans vote for Meghan Markle?


From a historical perspective, 2024 would be a very unfortunate time for her to run.

2025 (when inaugration would occur) is the 250th anniversary of the start of the war of independence, so should she run (and win), there would be a member of the royal family living in the white house at that time... Whether that would have a bearing on people's voting intentions (or on campaigning against her, challenges to her eligibility, etc.) could be interesting to see, and Harry may feel somewhat unwelcome at events commemorating the anniversary should she win.


Perhaps young Archibald could run for the 2045 US election?



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18 Mar 2021, 6:46 am

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Donald Trump says he would strongly consider running again in 2024 if Meghan Markle threw her hat in the ring, saying he’s “not a fan of hers”.
<<snip>>
Would Americans vote for Meghan Markle?


From a historical perspective, 2024 would be a very unfortunate time for her to run.

2025 (when inaugration would occur) is the 250th anniversary of the start of the war of independence, so should she run (and win), there would be a member of the royal family living in the white house at that time... Whether that would have a bearing on people's voting intentions (or on campaigning against her, challenges to her eligibility, etc.) could be interesting to see, and Harry may feel somewhat unwelcome at events commemorating the anniversary should she win.


Perhaps young Archibald could run for the 2045 US election?


Being he was born in London in 2019...perhaps not:
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The constitution mandates that you have to be "a natural born US citizen, over 35 years age, and have resided in the US for at least 14 years."



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18 Mar 2021, 2:41 pm

Walking home this morning, I passed a woman sitting in the open sliding door of her van.
She was parked on the street, feeding her little dog from 2 plastic dishes she had placed on the sidewalk.
I realized she was living out of her van, doing her best to hold on to her pet.
Where I live, in California, the number of houses and condos for sale is scary, and SO many apartments are for rent now!
THOSE are the people who concern me.
The ones who have lost home and job, who friends and family cannot help, being in the same desperate straits.
Ms. Markle does not interest me.
Former President Trump is perfectly able to take care of himself.
I am more concerned for those many, many Americans who have lost everything, through no fault of their own.


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