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30 Mar 2021, 9:08 am

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I have written Cancel Culture = Bullying.

But don't the people who are cancelling things feel like they're the ones standing up to the bullies?

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30 Mar 2021, 9:13 am

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jimmy m wrote:

I have written Cancel Culture = Bullying.

But don't the people who are cancelling things feel like they're the ones standing up to the bullies?

No, this "Cancel Culture" of which you speak is largely a myth, invented by people who only want their own racist, sexist, homophobic, and xenophobic lies to be spread like manure on a children's playground without regard to the harm it causes.

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30 Mar 2021, 9:30 am

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Can we at least stop pretending creators voluntarily retracting work is censorship?

What methods do NTs use when confronted by bullies? Do they stand up to the bullies? Yes, sometimes. But many will seek a way out. They may deflect the criticism. Some may even join the bully and his gang. Most young people are terrorized by bullies and hide in the shadows. Some Aspies will become class clowns and evolve into great comedians using humor to deflect the arrows that are shot at them.

So if a creator voluntarily retracts his work, what is motivating them? Are they so afraid of being criticized in this modern culture that the faintest whiff of criticism causes them to raise the white flag without a fight.

Ever consider the possibility that they agree with the criticism and are responding to it out of sympathy? :scratch:

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30 Mar 2021, 9:35 am

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jimmy m wrote:

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Can we at least stop pretending creators voluntarily retracting work is censorship?

What methods do NTs use when confronted by bullies? Do they stand up to the bullies? Yes, sometimes. But many will seek a way out. They may deflect the criticism. Some may even join the bully and his gang. Most young people are terrorized by bullies and hide in the shadows. Some Aspies will become class clowns and evolve into great comedians using humor to deflect the arrows that are shot at them. So if a creator voluntarily retracts his work, what is motivating them? Are they so afraid of being criticized in this modern culture that the faintest whiff of criticism causes them to raise the white flag without a fight.

Ever consider the possibility that they agree with the criticism and are responding to it out of sympathy?

Ever consider that they have concern for their brand-image and are responding out of greed?

:wink:

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30 Mar 2021, 9:45 am

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Ever consider that they have concern for their brand-image and are responding out of greed?

:wink:

That's quite fair for the ones on TV but I don't believe Jimmy is motivated by a brand-image due to him not having a brand to protect.

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30 Mar 2021, 11:24 am

I've been thinking that cancel culture is just a myth. It's just people being held accountable for their actions and businesses deciding to no longer carry a book or sell a copy or publish, someone deciding no longer wanting to work with someone or being represented by them, etc.

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30 Mar 2021, 12:34 pm

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I've been thinking that cancel culture is just a myth.

No, it does exist and it is quite real. Even in Wrong Planet. A few months ago it was used to try and cancel one of our members Pepe. Pepe is very familiar with bullying. The way he deals with bullying is with humor. Yet cancel culture was hard at work trying to drive a stake through his heart.

I suspect many people on Wrong Planet have left this site because they were cancelled.

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30 Mar 2021, 12:41 pm

jimmy m wrote:

League_Girl wrote:

I've been thinking that cancel culture is just a myth.

That's a funny way of saying they got tired of losing arguments.

I suppose now I can be one of these cancel culture martyrs after my experiences with far-right trolls on this board. :lol:

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30 Mar 2021, 12:46 pm

It's as ludicrous to say cancel culture doesn't exist as it is to say systematic racism doesn't exist.

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30 Mar 2021, 12:55 pm

I'm not a conservative; in fact, many conservatives believe I'm too "liberal" and that I'm a "bleeding heart."

As far as composers are concerned, it's a ridiculous notion to cancel Beethoven! This would be like cancelling Scott Joplin (a ragtime innovator). Or cancelling Calypso artists.

So what if Beethoven happens to be white European? Big deal! That's just the way the ball bounces. I am a person of European descent myself. I never owned slaves, nor oppressed nonwhite people. I'm married to a black Caribbean person. I don't deserve to be cancelled because I'm supposedly of an "oppressor" race. That's garbage and rubbish!

We just have to stop cancelling, period. This sets a bad precedent. This invites governments to censor "undesirable" things in general.

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30 Mar 2021, 1:01 pm

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It's as ludicrous to say cancel culture doesn't exist as it is to say systematic racism doesn't exist.

How is 'cancel culture' different from people in other periods holding standards of decency?

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30 Mar 2021, 1:03 pm

Some of the people who wanted to "uphold the standards of decency" were segregationalists who sought to deny black children the right to attend white schools.

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30 Mar 2021, 1:06 pm

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Some of the people who wanted to "uphold the standards of decency" were segregationalists who sought to deny black children the right to attend white schools.

You've missed the point. No one calls it cancel culture unless it's recent and coming from the left-of-centre, that's why cancel culture doesn't actually exist. It's just a term used to delegitimize some people having standards of decency.

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30 Mar 2021, 1:16 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

... No one calls it cancel culture unless it's recent and coming from the left-of-centre, that's why cancel culture doesn't actually exist. It's just a term used to delegitimize some people having standards of decency.

Fnord wrote:

... this "Cancel Culture" of which you speak is largely a myth, invented by people who only want their own racist, sexist, homophobic, and xenophobic lies to be spread like manure on a children's playground without regard to the harm it causes.

I think we are in agreement.

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30 Mar 2021, 1:18 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

It's as ludicrous to say cancel culture doesn't exist as it is to say systematic racism doesn't exist.

How is 'cancel culture' different from people in other periods holding standards of decency?

Like the Hays Code, which restricted sexual content in motion pictures? It's not any different. They are equally abhorent to me.

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30 Mar 2021, 1:20 pm

"Cancel Culture" exists on both sides. It's just another term for censorship.

I understand that the "right" has taken advantage of the "left's" propensity for censorship, and have coined a term for it.

That doesn't make it right.....

The "left's" terms for the "right's" propensity for censorship: "McCarthyism," "Fascism," etc.

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