Autism symptoms tend to decline with age

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03 Jun 2021, 4:41 pm

My take away: developmental delay can look like permanent genetic differences when you only look at behavior.
DSM uses behavior. Behavior can change. DNA not so much. Someday they may be able to look at your DNA and "know" things - this might be better than "Behavior" - on the other hand - environment can help specific genetic traits to be expressed or not be expressed. Environment can be social or schooling or can be things like toxins in food / water / air. All kinds of things - basically anything that is not genetic. It is usually "nature AND nurture" not "nature OR nurture".

You can improve if you are one of those who improve. If you are not one of those who improve then you won't improve.

Statistics like these only work for groups - not for individuals.


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03 Jun 2021, 5:14 pm

Fenn wrote:
My take away: developmental delay can look like permanent genetic differences when you only look at behavior.
DSM uses behavior. Behavior can change. DNA not so much. Someday they may be able to look at your DNA and "know" things - this might be better than "Behavior" - on the other hand - environment can help specific genetic traits to be expressed or not be expressed. Environment can be social or schooling or can be things like toxins in food / water / air. All kinds of things - basically anything that is not genetic. It is usually "nature AND nurture" not "nature OR nurture".

You can improve if you are one of those who improve. If you are not one of those who improve then you won't improve.

Statistics like these only work for groups - not for individuals.


Based on what I’ve read/heard in my decade or so of being at least a thorough observer (even though I have lacked the confidence or was too afraid of being judged harshly to be an active participant for much of it) of both online communities and in-person observations/interactions, I feel confident in saying that there are probably different cause(s) for different individuals, just as symptoms and expression of symptoms varies from person to person. And if that is the case, then it would follow that improvement/increasing/consistency would vary from person to person, with the specific cause(s) of that person’s autism being the key factor. In essence, what makes most sense to me is that literally (and I mean “literally” literally :wink: ) every aspect of ASD varies from person to person.


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03 Jun 2021, 11:14 pm



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04 Jun 2021, 12:00 am

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Masking/learning to adapt & overcome - but Also an improvement in diet, IMO. Peoples' tastes tend to mature. Adults eat healthier vs. the junk food, sugar, and dyes so many kids consume as their regular staples these days. This results in improved digestive/gut health, and in turn a better functioning enteric nervous system and reduced ASD symptoms.


I never received the memo that one’s tastes in food are supposed to mature with age and that we’re supposed to have healthier diets as we age, so I’ve always eaten “kid” foods. I’m incredibly sensitive to taste and have some sort of mental block that makes me terrified of trying new things. I wish I could get past it, because it’s the most crippling part of my autism.



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06 Jun 2021, 4:10 pm

Grammar Geek wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Masking/learning to adapt & overcome - but Also an improvement in diet, IMO. Peoples' tastes tend to mature. Adults eat healthier vs. the junk food, sugar, and dyes so many kids consume as their regular staples these days. This results in improved digestive/gut health, and in turn a better functioning enteric nervous system and reduced ASD symptoms.


I never received the memo that one’s tastes in food are supposed to mature with age and that we’re supposed to have healthier diets as we age, so I’ve always eaten “kid” foods. I’m incredibly sensitive to taste and have some sort of mental block that makes me terrified of trying new things. I wish I could get past it, because it’s the most crippling part of my autism.


Just a general fact. Kids don't tend to like the flavours of black coffee, black licorice, red wine, dark chocolate, sauer kraut and many other things that become more appealing with age as our taste buds change.

In my experienced opinion, your "kids diet," depending on what it consists of, is responsible for sustaining your ASD symptoms & thus I believe you are 100% spot on correct that it's the most crippling part of your autism - as it is for many.

Antibiotic use throughout one's life will also influence one's gut microbiome and in turn ASD symptoms.


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17 Jun 2022, 10:49 pm

I am someone who'd be taken as this, and yet it's only because of how it looks from the outside. I would like this issue to be examined in that light, that some autistics seem like they're doing better because of the presence of supports, etc.

Look on the outside and you see that I had speech and developmental delays and a struggle with the school system through childhood. Yet there are times in my life when I present really "normally" from the outside. I became great at outside emotional regulation and "passing" while everything else was basically falling apart. It is usually that I seem the least autistic when I'm not living alone, am not needing to work full time, am relatively healthy, etc. My two big adult burnouts were both after periods of time when nobody would've taken me for autistic and even my new clinicians didn't agree with the diagnosis. It was easy for people from the outside to see me as "normal" in my teens because I wasn't in school, interacted with most people on a computer bulletin board, and could act relatively normal in person for a few hours. It helped when I was younger, too, that I was a cute girl...

From the outside, it would look like I improved with age. I actually haven't. What is more likely is that I had compensations and supports in my teens and early twenties that I didn't have later. And I think this is possibly the case for lots of people who seem like they "got better."

Granted, perhaps some of them did. I know of people who basically have an early narrative of a child with difficulties and challenges, who became a successful, thriving adult. Before the word "autism" really existed in the culture, there were plenty of narratives of successful, even well known people who would be remembered as having been "a little slow" early on.

But lots of people who seem like they "got better" may just have the appearance of that, and a curated image; we don't know what supports they have behind the scenes, or what supports they're taking for granted and not thinking about. I thought I was doing better, too... after living with my mom for 10 years in middle age, lol.

...sorry to necro an old thread but I'm new here (I think I was here a very very long time ago but don't remember what user name I used) and reading the old posts


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17 Jun 2022, 11:19 pm

I've become more aware of how I'm perceived by others. I'm more at peace with those around me. More understanding. Less annoying and or off putting. I understand that a proper conversation doesn't consist of me only talking about myself and my fixed interests.



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17 Jun 2022, 11:24 pm

Learning to be more self-aware, greater ability to control executive function, lower levels of social anxiety probably all contribute



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17 Jun 2022, 11:28 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
I've become more aware of how I'm perceived by others. I'm more at peace with those around me. More understanding. Less annoying and or off putting. I understand that a proper conversation doesn't consist of me only talking about myself and my fixed interests.


This squares with me, too. Absolutely. I am less at odds with people around me, and more at peace with myself, and more understanding that other people are trying to live their life, too. I may be hugely decompensated, but emotional and social intelligence has increased with age.


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18 Jun 2022, 4:26 am

Misslizard wrote:
Masking and avoidance works for me.
I hardly ever leave my fortress of solitude.


Me either. Except mine is more of a cracker-box of solitude.