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Probably not…..but it’s the fault of the “powers that be,” not the veterans.

There is a stigma attached to having a diagnosed psychiatric disorder among rank and file veterans. It’s like a stain to their name. The military is not exactly progressive and liberal.

I should add that the mental health of returned war veterans is an old issue. Veterans organisations try their best to put their members in a good light. It's not easy serving in a war zone and I think there are more soldiers with PTSD who are too proud or scared to admit they have problems when back in civilian life. Their superiors are the ones stigmatise needing help as a weakness.

When these type of shooting happen it never puts veterans in a good light.

But veterans shouldn’t be stigmatized as a group if one of them is a nutjob.

Just like engineers shouldn’t be stigmatized if one of them is a nutjob. There’s nutjobs within all occupations.

It’s ridiculous if veterans are “not seen in a good light” if one goes on a mass murder spree. The mass murderer does not reflect the views of 99.99% of veterans.

Cyberdad : yes the VA is top heavey on management and disorganization . And can say firsthand
that Vets are not getting the necessary help mental healthwise and physical helpwise .!
The goal is to save money on these people healthcare . Not care for their health . There is even a sense by these Vets that there country has abandoned them . By Not providing the best care they can.
Most of the doctors are preprogrammed and trained there These generally are new to being doctors.
And not experienced .And behave in these manners to Veterans as a whole . Anything more serious or involved than a brokenbone . Is guarranteed to be put off or mistreated .
It does appear almost as if they are just hoping Vets will just die and go away . Just based on my personal experiences with the VA .

@ kraftie ....And Yes most Vets that i know who have PTSD varying degrees do try to cope with it as best as they can .

I am a military veteran, and I so far agree with Cyberdad's assessments on this case.

Are there any other military veterans posting in this thread?

Sheriff Judd initially suggested he was on meth.

Ex-US marine kills baby, grandma, 2 others in Florida while high on meth
https://www.jpost.com/international/ex- ... eth-678821

Im a Navy vet who worked in administration keeping member's records updated. What I saw was that the military has no interest in one's personal problems so long as it doesn't get in the way of them performing their duties. Mental health issues are usually addressed by counseling (invalidation) then dismissal (discharge). They way the service looks at it is that once the person is out it's not the military's problem anymore. This shouldn't be, but it is. I've seen this happen to several individuals during my time in the USN.

If ALL personnel were subject to this, then there wouldn't be a stigma....

Please Consider: that if one has any varying degrees of autism . any individual might be subject to meltdown or worse possibly a shutdown ? And have experience that even a psyche trained individual
Might initially might have trouble discerning that from a a oncoming nervous breakdown or loss of
a reality check , or extreme burnout/meltdown from PTSD, Symptoms overlap to a varying degree . Even some of the same terms are used to describe these symptoms . Even Vets use these same terms . To describe other Vets when they maybe in crises .( But the particulars are different .) Autistics have many of the less obvious symptoms of Autism on a ongoing basis . Autists are less likely to want to engage other people when symptoms get serious . Many Vets seek out isolation . As a coping mechanism . If you throw in how they are treated by the VA . (You might not feel to blame them.)
if they bring back a autoimmune issue from deployment from various causes , It might take awhile for it to manifest . Some of these take years to disable a individuals immune function And then add varying degrees of PTSD . Have seen VA doctrine go out of their way to NOT wish to diagnose
people with these types of conditions . Inspite of available clinical Research . Even when the facts
are made available to their infectious disease doctors . Actual records are intentionally not made available to the Vet immediately or very difficult to get actual copies of these records, (and consistently sorely inadequate blood testing .)
And analysis of this limited blood testing . Is often read in a way that no blood borne pathogens are possibly suspected. Envision the effects on a mind that is under attack from this disease process
in the long term . And add PTSD very possibly also untreated . .............Often , as in Autism there maybe triggers that effect burnout or meltdown . And PTSD could take sometime to develop long after
their discharge from their branch of the military . ( It becomes a can of Worms ) to diagnose.
And many Vets do not wish to disclose about their PTSD diagnosis or even possibility of it .
Many Autists do not wish people to know of their Autism . Their disclosure of such for either one can have effects on their future . Even if they are high functioning . Or if a ptsd person is under control,or very mild at the time. Same issues occur . The military does not test for autism or PTSD upon entry to the armed forces.
Warm bodies in uniform that can follow commands . This describes the bulk of the ground forces
used overseas. i had personnally seen at least one obviously developmentally disabled person make it through the basic training , even being promoted at the end.

If your a public prosecuetor and the police and sheriffs are aware of this tactic as well .
The goal is to impune / destroy the character of the defendant , by suggestion or association
with anything that could be used to make that person look bad in Court . In order to make their arrest record or record of successful prosecuetions look good.
If you are a Vet , then you are associated with drugs, almost automatically by law enforcement or
prosecuetors . Especially if that person is suffering from any degree of ptsd . but this tactic is used
against most defendants in criminal prosecuetions. From my personal and documentable
experiences . Occasionally high net worth individuals can escape these tactics .