03 Oct 2021, 7:12 am
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Actual footage of a recent summit between Anglosphere diplomats, and France, on this issue.
It didnt go well.
It didnt go well.
Where are the Aussies?
Arthur's entourage is the whole Anglo, American, Canadian, Australian, Anglosaxon world. And the guys in the castle are the French.
03 Oct 2021, 7:14 pm
Murihiku wrote:
Pepe wrote:
NZ is hiding behind Australia's military skirts and is not pulling its weight.
They can save the expense of significantly contributing to their military, navy, and air force this way is my best bet, though I haven't researched this.
And they leave the heavy lifting against Chinese aggression to us.
Very disappointing and stupid.
If China takes over Australia, NZ is next in a heartbeat.
However, I believe they have given token support to Australia in regards to Chinese trade aggression, recently.
The "NO Nuke" policy is politically convenient now that the circumstances have changed for the worst.
I'd be embarrassed if I were a kiwi.
I am not sure why we would need to harbour our nuclear subs at NZ, btw.
They can save the expense of significantly contributing to their military, navy, and air force this way is my best bet, though I haven't researched this.
And they leave the heavy lifting against Chinese aggression to us.
Very disappointing and stupid.
If China takes over Australia, NZ is next in a heartbeat.
However, I believe they have given token support to Australia in regards to Chinese trade aggression, recently.
The "NO Nuke" policy is politically convenient now that the circumstances have changed for the worst.
I'd be embarrassed if I were a kiwi.
I am not sure why we would need to harbour our nuclear subs at NZ, btw.
NZ aren't hiding behind anything. They aren't under attack by anyone, and honestly they're too small and remote to be a worthwhile target. NZ are well within their rights to have a more cautious, less militaristic foreign policy, independent to that of Australia. Still, there's plenty of common ground between both countries, so I doubt that this will have any impact on trans-Tasman relations.
You're right about military spending, though. Pre-covid, successive NZ governments have been able to produce budget surpluses by cutting expenses, including cuts to military spending. These days, NZ's military is mostly used in combat support roles (incl. in Afghanistan and Iraq), peacekeeping and disaster relief efforts.
What is your avatar all about?
I have to disagree.
NZ politicians are using Australia as a silly buffer zone against the nasties of the world.
NZ is very isolated, but that will mean nothing if China takes over Australia.
Surely you can see this, right?
03 Oct 2021, 7:16 pm
naturalplastic wrote:
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Actual footage of a recent summit between Anglosphere diplomats, and France, on this issue.
It didnt go well.
It didnt go well.
Where are the Aussies?
Arthur's entourage is the whole Anglo, American, Canadian, Australian, Anglosaxon world. And the guys in the castle are the French.
I can't see a slouch hat among them.
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03 Oct 2021, 7:25 pm
03 Oct 2021, 8:38 pm
03 Oct 2021, 9:12 pm
Pepe wrote:
What is your avatar all about?
I have to disagree.
NZ politicians are using Australia as a silly buffer zone against the nasties of the world.
NZ is very isolated, but that will mean nothing if China takes over Australia.
Surely you can see this, right?
I have to disagree.
NZ politicians are using Australia as a silly buffer zone against the nasties of the world.
NZ is very isolated, but that will mean nothing if China takes over Australia.
Surely you can see this, right?
I'm Kiwi and Aussie.
My avatar is from a modified design I had for the NZ flag referendum back in 2015.How likely do you think a Chinese "take over" of Australia is? Think of the logistics of maintaining such a large expeditionary force, across such a large distance (and having to go through Southeast Asia first, if not all the way around), and then having to maintain such a large colonial area.
It's an egregiously enormous effort and expense just for some coal and iron ore. There are no indications that China would be willing to commit to such an enterprise here in the Antipodes. Honestly, there'd be far more worthwhile targets for them closer to home.
03 Oct 2021, 10:59 pm
Murihiku wrote:
Pepe wrote:
What is your avatar all about?
I have to disagree.
NZ politicians are using Australia as a silly buffer zone against the nasties of the world.
NZ is very isolated, but that will mean nothing if China takes over Australia.
Surely you can see this, right?
I have to disagree.
NZ politicians are using Australia as a silly buffer zone against the nasties of the world.
NZ is very isolated, but that will mean nothing if China takes over Australia.
Surely you can see this, right?
I'm Kiwi and Aussie.
My avatar is from a modified design I had for the NZ flag referendum back in 2015.I was alluding to the Silver fern which is associated with NZ.
There was a high probability that you were a kiwi, which would explain your moderate/defensive position.
Quote:
Alsophila dealbata, synonym Cyathea dealbata, commonly known as the silver fern or silver tree-fern, or as ponga or punga, is a species of medium-sized tree fern, endemic to New Zealand. The fern is usually recognisable by the silver-white colour of the under-surface of mature fronds. Wikipedia
Murihiku wrote:
How likely do you think a Chinese "take over" of Australia is? Think of the logistics of maintaining such a large expeditionary force, across such a large distance (and having to go through Southeast Asia first, if not all the way around), and then having to maintain such a large colonial area.
Australia is Hitler's "Lebenraum" to the Chinese/ccp.
They have people coming out of their arse, so they would luv to displace Australians, as Stalin did with the Baltic states.
The government is buying nuclear subs for a reason, and that reason is not for underwater excursions for tourists.
Murihiku wrote:
It's an egregiously enormous effort and expense just for some coal and iron ore. There are no indications that China would be willing to commit to such an enterprise here in the Antipodes. Honestly, there'd be far more worthwhile targets for them closer to home.
Australia is a base for the alliance, particularly the Amerians.
China considers Australia to be within their political sphere of influence.
A lot of Asian people in the region believe we don't belong here.
Haven't you ever played grand strategy games?
03 Oct 2021, 11:00 pm
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04 Oct 2021, 7:03 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
roronoa79 wrote:
I can't be the only one who loves to see the French squirm and whine as more of the world recognizes that, geopolitically, they're old news.
They're just so full of themselves--i can't help but feel some schadenfreude at all this.
Australia just knows which way the wind is blowing.
They're just so full of themselves--i can't help but feel some schadenfreude at all this.
Australia just knows which way the wind is blowing.
My family is very German, so I don't tend to hold France in high regard.
I have heard that, but don't know why that is.
The way the French treated Germany after the first WW?
That, and long before. The French had invaded south western Germany several times, with intent on imperialistic conquest. They had burned Protestant towns, and had forcibly impressed young men into the French army. Many people from south western Germany had ended up fleeing to Britain (and thus America, as the Pennsylvania Dutch), and to Russia (my people) to escape French outrages. Needless to say, this explains much of later Franco-German history.
The bloody Nazis.
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04 Oct 2021, 3:17 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
roronoa79 wrote:
I can't be the only one who loves to see the French squirm and whine as more of the world recognizes that, geopolitically, they're old news.
They're just so full of themselves--i can't help but feel some schadenfreude at all this.
Australia just knows which way the wind is blowing.
They're just so full of themselves--i can't help but feel some schadenfreude at all this.
Australia just knows which way the wind is blowing.
My family is very German, so I don't tend to hold France in high regard.
I have heard that, but don't know why that is.
The way the French treated Germany after the first WW?
That, and long before. The French had invaded south western Germany several times, with intent on imperialistic conquest. They had burned Protestant towns, and had forcibly impressed young men into the French army. Many people from south western Germany had ended up fleeing to Britain (and thus America, as the Pennsylvania Dutch), and to Russia (my people) to escape French outrages. Needless to say, this explains much of later Franco-German history.
The bloody Nazis.
In part, yes.
10 Oct 2021, 10:54 pm
Pepe wrote:
Australia is Hitler's "Lebenraum" to the Chinese/ccp.
They have people coming out of their arse, so they would luv to displace Australians, as Stalin did with the Baltic states.
The government is buying nuclear subs for a reason, and that reason is not for underwater excursions for tourists.
They have people coming out of their arse, so they would luv to displace Australians, as Stalin did with the Baltic states.
The government is buying nuclear subs for a reason, and that reason is not for underwater excursions for tourists.
Pepe wrote:
Australia is a base for the alliance, particularly the Amerians.
China considers Australia to be within their political sphere of influence.
A lot of Asian people in the region believe we don't belong here.
Haven't you ever played grand strategy games?
China considers Australia to be within their political sphere of influence.
A lot of Asian people in the region believe we don't belong here.
Haven't you ever played grand strategy games?
I'll have to disagree with you here. There's no evidence that China thinks of Australia as "within their political sphere of influence", and certainly none for being a colony or Lebensraum in the Pacific. In fact, given the geopolitical tensions between the two countries, Australia seems to have become a less attractive place for Chinese people to visit/emigrate (Covid notwithstanding, of course).
However, on the subject of submarines ...
10 Oct 2021, 10:59 pm
12 Oct 2021, 6:11 pm
Murihiku wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Australia is Hitler's "Lebenraum" to the Chinese/ccp.
They have people coming out of their arse, so they would luv to displace Australians, as Stalin did with the Baltic states.
The government is buying nuclear subs for a reason, and that reason is not for underwater excursions for tourists.
They have people coming out of their arse, so they would luv to displace Australians, as Stalin did with the Baltic states.
The government is buying nuclear subs for a reason, and that reason is not for underwater excursions for tourists.
Pepe wrote:
Australia is a base for the alliance, particularly the Amerians.
China considers Australia to be within their political sphere of influence.
A lot of Asian people in the region believe we don't belong here.
Haven't you ever played grand strategy games?
China considers Australia to be within their political sphere of influence.
A lot of Asian people in the region believe we don't belong here.
Haven't you ever played grand strategy games?
I'll have to disagree with you here. There's no evidence that China thinks of Australia as "within their political sphere of influence", and certainly none for being a colony or Lebensraum in the Pacific. In fact, given the geopolitical tensions between the two countries, Australia seems to have become a less attractive place for Chinese people to visit/emigrate (Covid notwithstanding, of course).
However, on the subject of submarines ...
Ask Xi if he agrees with your assessment.
The ccp has essentially forbidden Chinese people to go to Australia.
An additional way to punish Australia economically.
You do agree that the ccp is threatening Australia, right?
14 Oct 2021, 7:24 am
