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IsabellaLinton
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29 Jan 2022, 12:57 pm

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"Freedom" has become a dog whistle.



It's actually a Charter.

https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-herit ... edoms.html


Until people have lived through two years of Canadian lockdown, particularly in Ontario, they really won't understand.


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29 Jan 2022, 1:11 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
MaxE wrote:
"Freedom" has become a dog whistle.



It's actually a Charter.

https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-herit ... edoms.html


Until people have lived through two years of Canadian lockdown, particularly in Ontario, they really won't understand.

Although I happen to believe personally that some Canadian public health measures have been needlessly harsh and quite possibly counter-productive, I have also seen Canadians behave defensively when the wisdom of those measures is judged by outsiders. I believe these measures have mostly been decided at the Provincial level though, so not sure in what way the Charter is relevant here. It would be impossible to compare to the US because policy has varied so widely across different States. I guess I could say I don't have a dog in that fight.

Anyway I see an absolutely false equivalence between opposition to Quebec-style curfews and refusal to get vaccinated. These people should all be arrested for needlessly releasing all that carbon into the atmosphere.


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29 Jan 2022, 1:35 pm

MaxE wrote:
"Freedom" has become a dog whistle.



What does freedom mean in dog whistle?

I don't speak in doggy whistles.


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29 Jan 2022, 1:39 pm

League_Girl wrote:
MaxE wrote:
"Freedom" has become a dog whistle.



What does freedom mean in dog whistle?

I don't speak in doggy whistles.

Does Wikipedia answer your question?


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29 Jan 2022, 1:52 pm

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I received my booster on a Friday, and used the subsequent discomfort as an excuse to avoid my wife's "Honey-Do" list all day Saturday.  No shopping trips, no visiting the old folks, no yard work . . . ahh, life is good!

I've discovered a rare but useful side effect of the booster, similar to yours, but it's more long-term, completely resistant to any medical confirmation, and often of VERY short-term effect (exactly the length of time that it WOULD have taken me to complete any given project, actually!). It's also a permanent "disability", I can assume.

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29 Jan 2022, 1:59 pm

I understand people being pandemic fatigued and frustrated with mitigation measures.

But this truck convoy nonsense isn’t even about that. It’s organized and executed by far right wing separatist party white supremacists preying on people fed up with lockdowns for support for their crazy causes.

It’d be much more acceptable if it were actually just truckers against vaccine mandates. But it’s not. So these people can crawl back under the rocks from which they came, IMO.


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29 Jan 2022, 2:08 pm

It's not about vaccines. Most Canadians and most truckers are fully vaccinated.

This is about vaccine mandates, and more importantly it's about Trudeau / Ford's abuse of civil liberties.

Spoken as someone disabled and single, with an immunocompromised and disabled child.

We have done and taken every precaution.

A bit about me:

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- Living in an area with ONE department store. Walmart. (I can't go in and they don't deliver.)
- Relies on Amazon for all deliveries because there are no other department stores ^ .
- Relies on all grocery orders being delivered.
- Relies on all prescription orders being delivered for myself and my daughter.
- I depend on the truckers for everything I've purchased since the pandemic began.


Health Care Here:

- Vaccines didn't start until April 2021 and we had to wait months for the second one
- Legally forbidden from buying or receiving a rapid test -- they aren't allowed here
- Sees people trying to buy rapid tests on the black market from America for $1000s of dollars
- Even if they ^ buy American tests, the results aren't considered valid
- People are fed up complying with restrictions but when they get sick they can't get tested
- PCR tests are only for people in hospital, with cancer, or with extreme immuno status
- Doctors have not been seeing patients in person since March 2020 -- all telephone / video
- Mother's cancer surgery delayed several months, shoulder replacement delayed almost a year
- First time I left the house in MONTHS was to take my mother for her vaccine
- I got Omicron at the clinic but was unable to ever be tested or see my doctor in person
- Was told to stay in isolation for the month of January and assume I had it
- Passed my illness to my daughter who has no kidney function and is high risk of DEATH
- My daughter is immunocompromised so she was allowed to have a PCR test (but I wasn't)
- Immuncompromised people and their contacts must isolate for 21 days after a positive test


Lockdown:

- I lived through one of the longest lockdowns in the world (has never fully ended since March 2020)
- We were not allowed to go in anyone's house
- I lived almost a full year waiting for insurance repairs to a flood in my house (no one could come in)
- Not allowed to have Christmas or Thanksgiving visits to family
- Not allowed in my mother's house (she's 80+ with cancer, living alone)
- She ^ was only allowed one caregiver (my brother)
- Restaurants, cinemas, small businesses, hair salons, coffee shops, all closed and going bankrupt
- Dollar Stores had sections roped off - could only buy essential products like food and cleansers
- Daughter couldn't buy socks or clothes for four months (won't buy online because sensory)
- We have worn an N95 mask or two masks, every time we've left the house in 2 years
- Not allowed to open door for delivery people or postman
- Cannot enter any public building without a mask, temperature check, and / or questionnaire screening
- Has daily contact and travel tracing on my phone
- Would have lost my LTD income and pension if I was not double vaccinated
- People were fined for leaving their neighbourhoods (bascially house arrest)
- Police were stopping cars asking for proof of where you were going / why
- I know someone fined $1000 for taking their restless children on a short drive (non-essential travel)

Dating in Lockdown:

- Was legally restricted from seeing my boyfriend - facing possible $1000 - $2000 fines - for most of 2021
- Dealt with only being allowed to leave home if I had a medical appointment or to get vaccinated
- My doctors aren't even seeing people in person, meaning I could only leave to get vaccinated
- Could only exercise outdoors if I wore a mask, kept 2 metres from people, and didn't leave my neighbourhood
- Boyfriend in other jurisdiction / legally forbidden to see him ^
- Saw him seven times in an the entire year -- some of them against the law
- Did most of our dates by walking the dogs 2 metres apart, wearing masks, and not touching
- Erected a tent in his yard because I wasn't allowed in his house


Economy:

- People are committing suicide because of bankruptcy
- My brother watched a woman jump in traffic after losing her business
- She was pulled to safety and jumped immediately in front of another car
- Schools and Universities have been closed for nearly two years
- Many people can't handle online learning (my daughter failed her class -- ADHD / auditory issues)
- Teacher shortage / substitute teacher shortage / daycare shortage / increase in domestic violence
- Shortage of mental health professionals because of burnout
- Blue-collar industry decimated (key workers were in the last age group to be vaccinated)
- No sick pay for blue collar workers missing work due to Covid
- Many new immigrants and POC lost their front-line jobs because of multigenerational housing
- Worker sick with common cold -- no rapid test -- fails screening -- loses pay until better - loses job
- Severe nursing shortage, but government will not certify trained nurses from other countries
- Disabled people unable to receive Covid stimulus money (the only group excluded)
- Other people being told to repay Covid stimulus money (tens of thousands of dollars)


I could go on.

My point is that we've done our share. We've done MORE than our share. We need our truckers. We need a support system to bring goods here, even pre-pandemic. Most truckers are vaccinated so I repeat this isn't about vaccines. It's about the restrictive laws which are infringing on our rights and freedoms (especially the freedom of mobility).

People are vaccinated. We are social distancing. We are taking precautions. We are suffering. We only want the government to respect our sovereignty and that of all Canadians in making safe choices for our own lives.


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29 Jan 2022, 2:36 pm

^^^^Excellent post, Isabella! Thanks for eloquently puting it all into perspective!


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29 Jan 2022, 2:55 pm

MaxE wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
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"Freedom" has become a dog whistle.



What does freedom mean in dog whistle?

I don't speak in doggy whistles.

Does Wikipedia answer your question?


No it does not. It does not tell me what freedom means in a doggy whistle.

What I say is what I exactly mean, there is no double meaning in my words. If I mean it, I will say it.


If you think I am doggy whistling, that is your problem and not mine. And I think this word is tossed around too much to justify changing what people are saying and to pretend what they mean.


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29 Jan 2022, 3:06 pm

People whine about their freedom when mandatory vaccines are happening so I take their language and say let them have the freedom to die sooner then. There is no doggy whistling about this when I take their arguement and use it against them. After all, everyone is happy then.

We're vaccinated and protected, the stupid are not so we don't need to worry about them. I've come to a point where I don't care anymore against anti vaxxers. They want their freedom, fine let them have it, they will just die sooner. Their choice after all.


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29 Jan 2022, 3:08 pm

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^^^^Excellent post, Isabella! Thanks for eloquently puting it all into perspective!


Thanks VM. I'm pro-vax. I'm pro distancing. I'm pro common sense.

I do not support the government restricting any citizen's constitutional mobility rights, including those of American truckers, or threatening any individual with the loss of their livelihood unless they surrender those rights.

I also get a bit bent when I'm told how to feel by people who:

- have received financial stimulus cheques
- have the freedom to go wherever they'd like
- have access to rapid tests whenever they want
- have the freedom to mask or not mask
- have the ability to shop in many stores either in person or online
- live in a country with lower vaccination / compliance rates than Canada

and / or

- had the comfort of spending lockdown WITH their significant other at their side


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29 Jan 2022, 3:17 pm

I blame Trump for all this, because people have lost trust in each other, people now think everyone is doggy whistling that no one actually listens anymore. People now weaponize "doggy whistle."


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29 Jan 2022, 3:22 pm

League_Girl wrote:
I blame Trump for all this, because people have lost trust in each other, people now think everyone is doggy whistling that no one actually listens anymore. People now weaponize "doggy whistle."


Not to take away from blaming Trump, but people rallying around him were damaged and confused before he came along. He's just their angry, abusive parent, except instead of blaming them he's yelling at Hispanics/women/homosexuals/liberals/whoever.



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29 Jan 2022, 3:28 pm

I don't even know what you guys mean by "doggy whistle".

I don't understand idioms.

In democratic societies people have the right to mobility, and the freedom of peaceful assembly regardless of their political point-of-view. That's a basic tenant of freedom.

That's all this is about.

These people are nearly all vaccinated. Certainly more so than Americans.


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29 Jan 2022, 3:38 pm

It has nothing to do with Trump imo. Trudeau shut the border long before Americans did. We've always had much harsher and stricter laws for Covid, and greater rates of compliance too.

The anti-Trudeau movement is much bigger than these stories represent. It's about Indigenous Reparations, environmentalism, corruption in the government, world trade, and many other issues that aren't being represented by big media. It's easier to slap an "anti-vax" label so people will ignore what's really going on, much like they do the other 364 days every year.


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29 Jan 2022, 3:38 pm

Every time someone mentions doggy whistle, it's too abstract for me to understand. I don't understand what I am supposed to be thinking then or what I am supposed to be seeing. So to me it looks like a gas lighting term to toss around as a distraction or to justify twisting someone's words and pretend to know what they are actually thinking.

It's like if someone were to tell me I always lie, I'm going to wonder what do I lie about or do they just disagree with me often so they assume I am lying.


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