Mike Pence: "President Trump is Wrong; I Had No Right"

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05 Feb 2022, 2:01 am

GOP's a lost cause because they refused to disavow Trump at a critical time when a very few brave souls spoke out, such as Liz Cheney.

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05 Feb 2022, 3:27 am

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Lol all the vilification and demonizing of Pence goes right out the window. What's even more ironic is all the conspiracy theory speculating which took place in '16-18 that Trump was just a front man who was going to resign in order to put Pence in the presidency. Now these folks actually want Pence as president.

Absolute insanity, isn't it? Playing the lesser of two evils game is what paved the way for Trump in the first place. Unfortunately, they will never understand that.

It's freedom of choice isn't it? I might ridicule the 75 million Trump lovers but they can do what they like.

That made absolutely no sense.

You were outraged Fnord could vote for Pence, Since when is that illegal?

That makes even less sense in regard to what VM said.

What exactly is the complication? it's not rocket science....If you can vote for Pence then why is Trump so bad

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05 Feb 2022, 6:45 am

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Mike Pence may get my vote in 2024 if he runs for POTUS, and for the simple fact he eventually stood up to Trump.

The fact he is not Biden is also in his favor.

Although if Harris also runs for POTUS, I may have to flip a coin.

So. You'd vote for a a,member of the Christian right, simply because he took on Trump? Wow!

This figures into something I said the other day: The worst damage Trump has done to this country is in the wake of his presidency. We're legitimizing bad people and institutions simply because the appeared to be against Trump.

That being the case I found Pence's running mate.

White Supremacist Richard Spencer Rejects Trump Tweets as ‘Meaningless’ on CNN
https://www.thewrap.com/richard-spencer ... st-tweets/

Yeah, that's a dream team, which will improve the country immediately.

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05 Feb 2022, 6:52 am

cyberdad wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

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Absolute insanity, isn't it? Playing the lesser of two evils game is what paved the way for Trump in the first place. Unfortunately, they will never understand that.

It's freedom of choice isn't it? I might ridicule the 75 million Trump lovers but they can do what they like.

That made absolutely no sense.

You were outraged Fnord could vote for Pence, Since when is that illegal?

That makes even less sense in regard to what VM said.

What exactly is the complication? it's not rocket science....If you can vote for Pence then why is Trump so bad

You're veering into non sequitur territory. Let me sum up what I meant: It's a frightening place we find ourselves in. Voting for horrible candidates simply because they took on Trump will only ensure the U.S. will continue to decline.

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05 Feb 2022, 8:47 am

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What exactly is the complication? it's not rocket science....If you can vote for Pence then why is Trump so bad

LOL can I have some of what you're smoking?

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05 Feb 2022, 10:05 am

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We are at the worst moment in the history of American democracy since the Civil War.

And people kept telling me America's been through worse. Ha. And I keep telling them there'll be a moment where it goes from 0-5 to a 10 and beyond in a micro-instant and I'll say "Well that escalated quickly."

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05 Feb 2022, 10:14 am

The Civil War was surely the US's darkest moment?

That said, it isn't in an enviable situation today. But it wouldn't be practical for anyone to seek secession today...

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05 Feb 2022, 11:12 am

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GOP's a lost cause because they refused to disavow Trump at a critical time when a very few brave souls spoke out, such as Liz Cheney.

And Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are about to be censured by the national RNC. The GOP, at this point, is the Party of Trump, and will be forever. Once you go hard right, you're branded as such for life, even if you move to the center at a later point.

This doesn't happen when one goes hard left. In Eastern Europe, some of the social democratic parties are actually the former communist parties that rebranded themselves. For example, Die Linke in Germany is the former Socialist Unity Party, which ruled East Germany. Moldova and Cyprus have elected communist presidents (Vladimir Voronin and Demetris Christofias, respectively).

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05 Feb 2022, 12:20 pm

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GOP's a lost cause because they refused to disavow Trump at a critical time when a very few brave souls spoke out, such as Liz Cheney.

Yeah, that is pretty much the case.

If Pence's running mate is an anti-vaxxer, a white supremacist, an ivermectin pitch-person, a coup denier, a MAGA/QAnon believer, a misogynist, or a Trump-lover, then I will vote for whoever runs against Pence.

If the running-mates are as bland as cold rice gruel, and Harris runs for POTUS, then I may have to flip a coin.

If Pence is the best the GOP can do, and Biden runs for a second term as POTUS, then I will go with Pence.

I will not vote for either "Orange Man" Trump or "Sleepy Joe" Biden.

(Forget about any third party candidates, please.)

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05 Feb 2022, 12:21 pm

If Charles Manson were alive today, and spoke out against Trump, I suspect there would people pleading for his parole.

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05 Feb 2022, 12:26 pm

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If Charles Manson were alive today, and spoke out against Trump, I suspect there would people pleading for his parole.

If Charles Manson were alive today, I would wish him dead.

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05 Feb 2022, 12:36 pm

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If Charles Manson were alive today, and spoke out against Trump, I suspect there would people pleading for his parole.

If Charles Manson were alive today, I would wish him dead.

It was just simple hyperbole to make s point.

Do you even know Pence's record as governor of Indiana? It wasn't pretty. He was very anti-LGBTQ rights.

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05 Feb 2022, 1:41 pm

I can't imagine them fielding him. People on the LGBTQ spectrum would rather stay away than vote for him if they don't plan on voting for the Democrats. Yes, he'd please the majority in the bible belt but doesn't have what it takes to be a Number One candidate.

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05 Feb 2022, 1:41 pm

VegetableMan wrote:

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If Charles Manson were alive today, and spoke out against Trump, I suspect there would people pleading for his parole.

If Charles Manson were alive today, I would wish him dead.

It was just simple hyperbole to make s point. Do you even know Pence's record as governor of Indiana? It wasn't pretty. He was very anti-LGBTQ rights.

Do you even care that I am no longer interested in discussions with you?

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05 Feb 2022, 1:49 pm

Please drop the personal quarrel, guys - rather ignore posts that you don't consider worthy of a response. Thanks.

Manson shouldn't have been mentioned in this thread to begin with and any such references are not relevant to the topic.

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05 Feb 2022, 1:59 pm

(Thanks, En!)

My point is that there are virtually only two candidates in any presidential election. Sadly, the "best" of either major party could not possibly be the best person for the job, and considering the current crop of potential candidates, any vote for POTUS is a vote for the lesser of two evils.

Pence v. Biden? Pence
Pence v Harris? Tossup
Trump v Harris? Harris

Some choices, huh? I am still waiting for someone who can lead this country without staging a coup or forgetting his/her own name.

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