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26 Feb 2022, 5:49 am

Pepe wrote:
Not all Germans were Nazis.
Not all Nazis were Germans.

That's true.

We're talking about just the Nazis, though, right?



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26 Feb 2022, 5:52 am

Pepe wrote:
pootin is interested in restoring the old Soviet empire.
How many times do we have to point that obvious fact out? :scratch:


You are talking about back when he was head of the KGB

Putin is now a multi billionaire thought to control hundreds of billions which makes him the richest single man in the world. He is a capitalist.

All he wants is to be the new Czar of Russia



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26 Feb 2022, 6:15 am

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All he wants is to be the new Czar of Russia

The way he is now, or some other way?



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26 Feb 2022, 6:21 am

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
pootin is interested in restoring the old Soviet empire.
How many times do we have to point that obvious fact out? :scratch:


You are talking about back when he was head of the KGB

Putin is now a multi billionaire thought to control hundreds of billions which makes him the richest single man in the world. He is a capitalist.

All he wants is to be the new Czar of Russia


He wants his place in history, as does xi.



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26 Feb 2022, 6:23 am

Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
pootin is interested in restoring the old Soviet empire.
How many times do we have to point that obvious fact out? :scratch:


You are talking about back when he was head of the KGB

Putin is now a multi billionaire thought to control hundreds of billions which makes him the richest single man in the world. He is a capitalist.

All he wants is to be the new Czar of Russia


He wants his place in history, as does xi.

Technically he already has one, but ultimately what kind of place are you thinking?



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26 Feb 2022, 6:31 am

r00tb33r wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
pootin is interested in restoring the old Soviet empire.
How many times do we have to point that obvious fact out? :scratch:


You are talking about back when he was head of the KGB

Putin is now a multi billionaire thought to control hundreds of billions which makes him the richest single man in the world. He is a capitalist.

All he wants is to be the new Czar of Russia


He wants his place in history, as does xi.

Technically he already has one, but ultimately what kind of place are you thinking?


He wants a bigger one. 8)



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26 Feb 2022, 6:32 am

Although I am not a fan of communism, I miss Gorbachev.


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26 Feb 2022, 6:37 am

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Although I am not a fan of communism, I miss Gorbachev.

Yeah, he comes up whenever I'm frying eggs.

Have you lived in a country where he was in charge? I don't think you'd necessarily like that.

The way I was raised is there are no good people in politics. So when you say "I miss" in regards to a politician, I find it... Naive.



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26 Feb 2022, 6:52 am

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The fact the Azov battalion is allowed to flourish and be "heros" in Ukraine is to me more of a worry than Putin
Tolerating an ideology worries you more than actual bloodshed.
Noted.

Personally, I have a bone to pick with any Nazi collaborators or sympathizers.



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26 Feb 2022, 7:42 am

And I have a bone to pick with supporting a dictator who behaves like the Nazi in 1938 did - even if he's not wearing swastikas.


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26 Feb 2022, 7:56 am

^ I'm guessing at what you might be implying, but there are key differences that make that comparison invalid.

I'll make a separate thread later about regional security.

Do you play video games? The turn-based strategy kind?



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27 Feb 2022, 3:02 am

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And I have a bone to pick with supporting a dictator who behaves like the Nazi in 1938 did - even if he's not wearing swastikas.


Your attempts to compare Putin with Hitler aren't really appropriate.

Hitler caused the deaths of an estimated total of 70–85 million people, or about 3% of the 1940 world population (est. 2.3 billion). Deaths directly caused by the war (including military and civilian fatalities) are estimated at 50–56 million, with an additional estimated 19–28 million deaths from war-related disease and famine.

Many of your Polish countrymen would find the comparison in bad taste given Hitler labelled Poles as subhumans with 5 million dying at the hands of the Nazis.

Putin in comparison hasn't touched the hair of a single Polish person and while he has killed people it seems to be mostly his own people the Russians with Ukrainians coming in 2nd.



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27 Feb 2022, 3:11 am

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Many of your Polish countrymen would find the comparison in bad taste given Hitler labelled Poles as subhumans with 5 million dying at the hands of the Nazis.
Ahem... I am in Poland. In constant contact with my Polish countrymen. I precisely know what my countrymen find in good or bad taste.
Comparing Putin to Hitler is very mainstream here - especially to the time when in 1938 and 1939 Hitler was claiming and annexing more and more and the West did nothing more than "officially not recognizing" it.

It's been more or less mainstream here since Georgia in 2008, btw, but the direct invasion now chased every doubt away.


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27 Feb 2022, 3:27 am

cyberdad wrote:
magz wrote:
And I have a bone to pick with supporting a dictator who behaves like the Nazi in 1938 did - even if he's not wearing swastikas.


Your attempts to compare Putin with Hitler aren't really appropriate.

Hitler caused the deaths of an estimated total of 70–85 million people, or about 3% of the 1940 world population (est. 2.3 billion). Deaths directly caused by the war (including military and civilian fatalities) are estimated at 50–56 million, with an additional estimated 19–28 million deaths from war-related disease and famine.

Many of your Polish countrymen would find the comparison in bad taste given Hitler labelled Poles as subhumans with 5 million dying at the hands of the Nazis.

Putin in comparison hasn't touched the hair of a single Polish person and while he has killed people it seems to be mostly his own people the Russians with Ukrainians coming in 2nd.


"Oh, Magoo, you've done it again." :mrgreen:

Hitler would be proud of pootin's and stalin's achievements. :mrgreen:

Hitler:
Annexation of the Sudetenland.
Annexation of Czechoslovakia.
Attempted annexation of Danzig before the war.

stalin pootin:
Annexation of Georgia.
Annexation of Crimean Penisular.
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What Russia controls in Ukraine?
As of today Russia continues to illegally occupy Ukraine's Autonomous Republic of Crimea (26 081 km²), the city of Sevastopol (864 km²), certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions (16799 km²) — in total 43744 km² or 7,2% of the territory of Ukraine.


Also consider the following. It might give you an understanding why the Ukrainians are fighting so hard against stalin pootin.

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Cruel efforts under Stalin to impose collectivism and tamp down Ukrainian nationalism left an estimated 3.9 million dead. At the height of the 1932-33 Ukrainian famine under Joseph Stalin, starving people roamed the countryside, desperate for something, anything to eat.16 Apr 2019

How Joseph Stalin Starved Millions in the Ukrainian Famine




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The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р, romanized: Holodomor, IPA: [ɦolodoˈmɔr];[2] derived from морити голодом, moryty holodom, 'to kill by starvation'),[a][3][4][5] also known as the Terror-Famine[6][7][8] or the Great Famine,[9] was a famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. It was a large part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–1933. The term Holodomor emphasises the famine's man-made and allegedly intentional aspects such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs and restriction of population movement. As part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country, millions of inhabitants of Ukraine, the majority of whom were ethnic Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[10] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine[11] and 15 other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet government.[12]

Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials varied greatly.[13] A United Nations joint statement signed by 25 countries in 2003 declared that 7–10 million perished.[14] Current scholarship estimates a range of 4 to 7 million victims,[15] with more precise estimates ranging from 3.3[16] to 5 million.[17] According to the findings of the Court of Appeal of Kyiv in 2010, the demographic losses due to the famine amounted to 10 million, with 3.9 million direct famine deaths, and a further 6.1 million birth deficits.[18]

Whether the Holodomor was genocide is still the subject of academic debate, as are the causes of the famine and intentionality of the deaths.[19][20][21] Some scholars believe that the famine was planned by Joseph Stalin to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement.[10][22] Others suggest that the man-made famine was a consequence of Soviet industrialisation.[23][24][25]



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27 Feb 2022, 3:33 am

magz wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Many of your Polish countrymen would find the comparison in bad taste given Hitler labelled Poles as subhumans with 5 million dying at the hands of the Nazis.
Ahem... I am in Poland. In constant contact with my Polish countrymen. I precisely know what my countrymen find in good or bad taste.
Comparing Putin to Hitler is very mainstream here - especially to the time when in 1938 and 1939 Hitler was claiming and annexing more and more and the West did nothing more than "officially not recognizing" it.

It's been more or less mainstream here since Georgia in 2008, btw, but the direct invasion now chased every doubt away.


Forgive him.
He does not know what he is saying, at times. :mrgreen:



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27 Feb 2022, 3:42 am

magz wrote:
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Many of your Polish countrymen would find the comparison in bad taste given Hitler labelled Poles as subhumans with 5 million dying at the hands of the Nazis.
Ahem... I am in Poland. In constant contact with my Polish countrymen. I precisely know what my countrymen find in good or bad taste.
Comparing Putin to Hitler is very mainstream here - especially to the time when in 1938 and 1939 Hitler was claiming and annexing more and more and the West did nothing more than "officially not recognizing" it.

It's been more or less mainstream here since Georgia in 2008, btw, but the direct invasion now chased every doubt away.


If you mean his intention to expand Russia's borders? I suppose in that context he is "Hitler like". I thought he desires "pan-slavic" unity which case he should be seeking to be friends with Poland and Czechoslovakia.