07 Apr 2022, 8:59 am
07 Apr 2022, 9:07 am
Russian population would also be better off without this machine... but I doubt they would be able and willing to dismantle it any soon 
07 Apr 2022, 9:11 am
07 Apr 2022, 9:13 am
All Totalitarian Regimes start with a Mass Formation
You can deny it. Refuse to see it. Turn away and pretend. But it's still there.
All the people telling you to get jabby-jabby are in the bottom paragraph. Coincidence? What police documents got suppressed? Not many dots to join really.
07 Apr 2022, 9:14 am
07 Apr 2022, 9:18 am
07 Apr 2022, 6:33 pm
Fnord wrote:
magz wrote:
. . . Kremlin disinformation machine has finite resources, as they need to focus on their own population now, their influence elsewhere drops.
Good for us; bad for the Russkies. We can now deal with the residual anti-vaccine nuttery and make things better.Just to be clear, you do realise I am *pro* vaccination, right?
But I am also pro-choice.
07 Apr 2022, 6:35 pm
Fnord wrote:
flamingshorts wrote:
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[color=black]Thank you for sharing. Have a nice day.
07 Apr 2022, 7:00 pm
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07 Apr 2022, 10:19 pm
07 Apr 2022, 10:43 pm
flamingshorts wrote:
Fnord wrote:
magz wrote:
... We can now deal with the residual anti-vaccine nuttery and make things better.
I have tried to point out that "mass formation" is the basis of totalitarian systems. Re-read the above statement until it dawns on you. This is not a normal state. Where "othering" people as "anti-vaccine" is acceptable. Where public debate is reduced to "this group is bad people". Where the tolerance and caring, those special communities like LGBTQI POC and yes even Autistics are totally down with intolerance and vilification.
To suggest there is a group that should be dealt with reminds me of the totalitarian societies from the 20th century.
Whispers, "wake up ... wake up ... wake up".
Lefties vs Reality
If you want it, you have come to the right place.
There is a *lot* of binarism here.
07 Apr 2022, 11:48 pm
08 Apr 2022, 1:22 am
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
magz wrote:
. . . Kremlin disinformation machine has finite resources, as they need to focus on their own population now, their influence elsewhere drops.
Good for us; bad for the Russkies. We can now deal with the residual anti-vaccine nuttery and make things better.But I am also pro-choice.
The real problem starts when people become proudly unreasonable - i.e. keep repeating their claims no matter how much evedence against it you provide - and this unreasonableness, instead of random as it would naturally occur, gets organized.
This is perfect priming for forms of propaganda that otherwise could never hold. No matter how many witnesses you hear, no matter how much evidence you see, you keep repeating crap someone told you to believe "because the whole rest of the world is framing you" and evidence they provide "is just a part of their evil plot".
That's the real risk. Absurd? But very real.
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08 Apr 2022, 2:17 am
08 Apr 2022, 2:25 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
flamingshorts wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
...Huh? What?
The videos were the same day. That is the anti-fascist, pro-vax activists rally. The one with all the colorful people and smiling faces was what they call the Nazis and fascists. Cause you know racism.
Ever have the feeling you are being conned?
Sure, I know what if feels like to be conned. I feel it every time I'm told that the unregulated market will benefit us all. The previous President of my country, who had been a notorious con man in the business world, tried gaslighting the American people in his effort to become a strongman like his idols Putin and Kim. But opposition to fascism and vaccines somehow being a con job? Sorry, but not a chance.
The orange man not only "warped speed" the vaccine, he was also advocating vaccination.
He pissed off some of his followers with that.
I just thought I might remind you.
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08 Apr 2022, 2:31 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
flamingshorts wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
...Huh? What?
The videos were the same day. That is the anti-fascist, pro-vax activists rally. The one with all the colorful people and smiling faces was what they call the Nazis and fascists. Cause you know racism.
Ever have the feeling you are being conned?
Sure, I know what if feels like to be conned. I feel it every time I'm told that the unregulated market will benefit us all. The previous President of my country, who had been a notorious con man in the business world, tried gaslighting the American people in his effort to become a strongman like his idols Putin and Kim. But opposition to fascism and vaccines somehow being a con job? Sorry, but not a chance.
The orange man not only "warped speed" the vaccine, he was also advocating vaccination.
He pissed off some of his followers with that.
I just thought I might remind you of that.
Trump was a Johnny-come-lately for vaccine advocacy. He had originally called it a Democrat hoax/exaggeration, denied there was a deficit of medical supplies, had hampered and defamed actual experts, and had promoted specious snake-oil cures. The fact that he had "warp sped" the vaccine was very late when he found he couldn't just ignore the virus and hope that not believing in it would make it go away.
