Johnny Depp Vs Amber Heard verdict discussion

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02 Jun 2022, 12:01 pm

In my mind, she has figuratively gone from this . . .

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. . . to this . . .

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02 Jun 2022, 12:05 pm

They are both pieces of garbage and the fact that people are even interested in this at all proves that the human race is doomed. I'm just glad this blatant media circus act of stupidity will be over soon. Too bad the same can't be said about everything else about this horrible, horrible world. :x

And the men out there are just loving this because she's a woman, and all women are evil and to blame for all men's problems. We're the reason why men are becoming incels, committing suicide and shooting up schools. I get it, women need to be suppressed and treated like sub-humans. Good thing I was never a human to begin with.



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02 Jun 2022, 12:07 pm

I've not been following this at all as it doesn't interest me. The odd snippets I've accidentally seen on the TV news gave me the impression that neither Heard or Depp are very pleasant characters. :shrug:


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02 Jun 2022, 12:09 pm

Fnord wrote:
In my mind, she has figuratively gone from this . . .

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That's being very generous.

I assume I'm not alone in thinking she's a genuine moron though.

A website dedicated to people with poor social development, oblivious to body language and often easily manipulated is still seeing right past her lies, find her body language infuriatingly false and doesn't find her convincing at all.

It shows just how bad her own social skills are. The entire jury could have been autistic and she still wouldn't have glimmer of hope in manipulating them.



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02 Jun 2022, 12:12 pm

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I've not been following this at all as it doesn't interest me. The odd snippets I've accidentally seen on the TV news gave me the impression that neither Heard or Depp are very pleasant characters.
Mr. Depp is not one of my most favorite people, but at least he is a more convincing actor.



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02 Jun 2022, 1:50 pm

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They are both pieces of garbage and the fact that people are even interested in this at all proves that the human race is doomed. I'm just glad this blatant media circus act of stupidity will be over soon. Too bad the same can't be said about everything else about this horrible, horrible world. :x

And the men out there are just loving this because she's a woman, and all women are evil and to blame for all men's problems. We're the reason why men are becoming incels, committing suicide and shooting up schools. I get it, women need to be suppressed and treated like sub-humans. Good thing I was never a human to begin with.


Well...one cant help but think that she is doing to the Me Too movement what Jussie Smollett did for victims of real hate crimes. Discrediting it.

Hense why I keep saying that...she should marry Jussie Smollett!

Not that Depp is not also a depp-ly flawed individual too! Great artist/actor that he may be.



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02 Jun 2022, 2:38 pm

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It’s very important that we allow victims of domestic abuse to speak out about the abuse they have suffered.
This is important only if and when such violence and suffering has not been staged and has actually occurred.

The civil suit was brought on not because Ms. Heard spoke out, but because she slandered Mr. Depp while doing so.

(For some people, it is not enough to win a divorce case; they seem to have the deep-seated need to slander and ruin the reputations, careers, and lives of the people they have divorced.)

She still has her Free Speech rights, as they are inviolable.  Most of what has been brought home to her is that she should be truthful when speaking about others, that she should at least have irrefutable evidence that what she says about someone else is true, or both.

The rest is mere accounting.

There are two points here.

First, have you read the article in question? It does not refer to Depp, merely that Heard became the face of victims of domestic violence. Now of course, because Depp is known to have beaten Heard, everyone knew he was who she was referring to. In other words, the jury ruled that Heard was not allowed to speak out about her experience at all.

Second, slander requires that the statements be either false, or with malicious disregard for the truth. It is plain that Heard’s claims are true - a judge has already ruled that it is true that Depp is a wife-beater, and Heard’s claims are much more mild.

Unfortunately this is a case where legal opinion is that the jury made the wrong decision. It is an awful miscarriage of justice.

(Note that it is entirely possible to unequivocally condemn Depp without unequivocally supporting Heard)



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02 Jun 2022, 3:08 pm

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First, have you read the article in question?
Yes, your Honor.
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It does not refer to Depp, merely that Heard became the face of victims of domestic violence. Now of course, because Depp is known to have beaten Heard . . .
Objection.  Prosecution is assuming that the alleged "knowledge" is valid without material evidence to support it.
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. . . everyone knew he was who she was referring to.
Objection.  Prosecution is assuming that such "knowledge" is ubiquitous.
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In other words, the jury ruled that Heard was not allowed to speak out about her experience at all.
Objection.  Misleading conclusion.  The jury's ruling was based on the immaterial irrelevant nature of the publicly-made statement.
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It is plain that Heard’s claims are true
Objection.  Prosecution is assuming that such the claims are true without material evidence to support them.
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a judge has already ruled that it is true that Depp is a wife-beater, and Heard’s claims are much more mild.
Objection.  The findings of a foreign court are inadmissible as evidence in a domestic court unless pre-arranged reciprocity agreements are in force between the two sovereign polities.
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Unfortunately this is a case where legal opinion is that the jury made the wrong decision.
Objection.  Please cite which "legal authority" made this alleged distinction.
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It is an awful miscarriage of justice.
You Honor is entitled to His opinion, although having and stating such an opinion does not render any previous legal or civil verdicts null, void, or both.
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(Note that it is entirely possible to unequivocally condemn Depp without unequivocally supporting Heard)
As is the reverse case.



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02 Jun 2022, 3:14 pm

So Depp had drug and drinking issues and was known to get into fights and get arrested. But he has never ever sexually assaulted a woman nor has he ever threatened nor laid his hands on a woman. This was a lie Amber made in court and it was proven to be false.

I guess to Amber him cussing and slamming things and throwing wouldn't be abusive enough so she had to fabricate and it was proven she faked her bruises.

Plus audio was shown in court of her egging and taunting him and not letting him leave the room. Then she tried to use the rumor thst he shoved Kate Moss down the stairs but she testified and said this is not what happened.

I think the fact more people believe johnny, those who still believe Amber won't affect him. I see he has moved on because he is in London performing and lot of people showed up, even Kate Moss. I don't think he would have sued if he knew he wouldn't win.

Amber was totally insane in court and so dramatic while Johnny looked hurt and broken.


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02 Jun 2022, 3:25 pm

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So Depp had drug and drinking issues and was known to get into fights and get arrested. But he has never ever sexually assaulted a woman nor has he ever threatened nor laid his hands on a woman. This was a lie Amber made in court and it was proven to be false.

I guess to Amber him cussing and slamming things and throwing wouldn't be abusive enough so she had to fabricate and it was proven she faked her bruises.

Plus audio was shown in court of her egging and taunting him and not letting him leave the room. Then she tried to use the rumor thst he shoved Kate Moss down the stairs but she testified and said this is not what happened.

I think the fact more people believe johnny, those who still believe Amber won't affect him. I see he has moved on because he is in London performing and lot of people showed up, even Kate Moss. I don't think he would have sued if he knew he wouldn't win.

Amber was totally insane in court and so dramatic while Johnny looked hurt and broken.
Wow!

Someone else has actually followed the American trial as a separate case from the European trial!

In the end, it all came down to who could prove what -- not beyond a reasonable doubt (as in a murder case), but with reasonable certainty (as is typical with civil cases).  Key points:

• Ms. Heard made certain assertions neither she nor her lawyers could support with evidence in court. 

• Mr. Depp and his lawyers were able to expose those claims as both false and malicious.

• The legally-constituted jury found in accordance with Mr. Depp's claim.

The trial is over.  We await a whole 'nuther circus when/if Ms. Heard files an appeal.  Of course, she could also make the rounds of the daytime talk shows to criticize Mr. Depp, his legal team, the jury, the judge, and the entire legal system; but she will still be known for having defamed and slandered her ex-husband with publicly-uttered lies and insinuations against him.



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02 Jun 2022, 4:32 pm

Been planning to rewatch Secret Window, I think it's quite fitting.



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02 Jun 2022, 4:35 pm

And Heard's lawyers were trying hard to make him out to be the abuser and kept interrupting him.

And now I see AH supporters saying her lawyers let her down or that she had bad ones.


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02 Jun 2022, 4:38 pm

Well the one who objected to his own questions was pretty bad.



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02 Jun 2022, 4:40 pm

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. . . now I see AH supporters saying her lawyers let her down or that she had bad ones.
Any excuse other than the truth: She lied.



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02 Jun 2022, 4:43 pm

I'm going to be honest, the strength and persistence of the vitriol against Amber Heard is something that disturbs me greatly.

NONE OF US KNOW THE TRUE STORY.

My first post on the trial indicated I saw reason to doubt her, but feeling uncomfortable with her actions and motives is not the same as knowing.

Having a jury return a verdict is not the same as knowing.

People are doing a whole lot of assuming here and making judgements that WILL harm domestic abuse victims. How any of you, or even the jury, feel about the facts doesn't matter when it comes to the lesson a domestic abuse victim will take home. All they will see is someone who tried to tell her story and was shredded to pieces for doing so.

It isn't as if there is no documentation of Depp acting in an abusive manner towards her. There is. Texts, things he's confessed to, etc. While it is entirely possible that his actions were a response to her actions, the fact remains that he also acted in an abusive / toxic manner in that relationship. THAT is what victims are seeing.

Lawyer friends of mine are surprised by the verdict. After all, she never mentioned Depp by name in the ad, or provided identifying characteristics. She described herself. It was a "me" statement; how she experienced the reactions of SOCIETY to her claims, including ones she made at a very young age. It says nothing about what happened in the marriage. It was all about the reactions of people and institutions around her. While she should have known that people would see her ex in the timeline, the jury result says, to me, more about how the power of Depp's personality than the reality of what happened in that marriage.

I don't mind that people agree with the verdict. I don't mind that people think Amber is shady. I mind the certainty and level of vitriol with which people speak.

I've worked with domestic abuse victims. It is very, very VERY hard for them to get anyone to believe them.

I am also going to repeat, cussing and slamming things and throwing things IS a form of abuse that can be every bit as psychologically damaging as getting hit. That is extremely important to understand.


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02 Jun 2022, 4:54 pm

A thing with Depp is he's pushing 60, and there's only so far the leading man hart throb thing can be taken. Him, Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise are becoming the older generation of actors who've had their heyday.