yet another senseless shooting, this time in tulsa.

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a ghastly idea but a good one just the same, is to do a study comparing suicide rates in america and elsewhere relative to the availability of weapons of mass murder. perhaps in other countries even down under, if you had as many wicked weapons relatively easily available, your rates of suicide might be lower but your rate of mass murder would be more equal to our own?

Look it might be the surgeon caused his pain but its also likely the risks of the operation were explained to this dude and after the post-op pain started he chose to blame the surgeon for whatever reason. The dude clearly thought he had nothing to lose.

down under, the medicos might be the type to thoroughly explain to patients about post-op pain, but in amuuuurica, i can tell you that is somewhat less likely. i've had post-op complications that i was never warned about. i suspect this perp was himself the victim of such. many doctors in america lack "bedside manner." IOW they operate on you and collect their buck$, you're then just a statistic. not excusing the fellow's mass murder but i can see this is a likely motivator for such, with him and with many others to come, here.

No I agree Blabs, we have this problem in Australia too. I've had surgery once for a hernia and the surgeon had little care although for him it was a routine operation. I think they act like car mechanics after a while and we start to resemble car bodies.

you may wish to find a used (long out of print) copy of "a taste of my own medicine- when the doctor is the patient" written by dr. ed rosenbaum, the movie "The Doctor" was based upon this book. this doc was haughty and cold towards his patients, until he became the patient himself [throat cancer].

Trust me, you Do Not want to know from personal experience.
And I wish I didn't.
This is one thing where my hope is that life allows you to continue to be blissfully ignorant.

If the guy had just offed himself that would have been sad enough.
But no, the bereaved families have a new reality in their lives.
And it is an ugly reality.

Yes and doctors make the worst patients for that reason

Fair enough

Armed Veterans in the schools... This is the time for some delusional Pollyanna to say, 'but they shouldn't have to see armed guards at school.' And my response is: they shouldn't be shot at, or see their friends lying in a pool of blood, but they do.

Medical mismanagement .. clearly the doctor did not consider to have prescribed this man adequate pain killers.
For the situation otherwise this guy might have just stayed home recovering that soon after a surgery .
But if the doc, nicked the wrong nerve in the guys body and main some dramatic serious change to this guy’s quality
Of life . Paralysis or damage libido ,or ? Yeah he might have seem his life going away ……. Doctors do need to be more patient oriented , I feel . Just based on personal experience with a large number of doctors in my life . Due
To physical misfortunes repeatedly .

With all the publicity about opioid addiction doctors are being scrutinized about how they are proscribing pain killers. It used to be general policy to give a 30 day prescription for opioids now it is 3 days. There was a massive overprescription problem. Many doctors were renewing prescriptions knowing their patients did not need them understanding a happy patient is a paying patient. Opioids were being given out for things over the counter medications could solve. Unfortunately people who literally need them have become collateral damage. With a back issue there is a high probability of addiction. One often needs high dosage for an extended period of time.
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So maybe this is a result of bad laws con: opioids . And or proper regulations. But malpractice should be addressed
In the medical profession , possibly as severely as a physical assault. With jail terms .
There are medicines that work easily as well as opioids but they are usually taken of the market after brief trials from my experience. With absolutely no effect of making one high . And I do not understand why.. have been in trials of meds that disappeared quickly after the trial. Being a person who has had 2/3rds of my skeleton crushed in one very severe accident , in my late teens . It is only merciful that some people with verifiable distress to their physical anatomy , Might have periodic necessity for some kind of pain relief . And this should be a mitigating consideration in
Dealing with more obvious cases. But this guy was only three days out from his surgery. I do not know what ? Or how invasive his surgery was ? But might think people in physical pain might respond in irrational manners .

The US has gone completely insane. Every country has gone insane, but the US is the king of insanity. People are going around with signs and stickers telling people to have anal sex with at least three different presidents and eating horse dewormer and saying they'll just kill people instead of firing warning shots because due to a bullet shortage. Underage kids aren't allowed to purchase lottery tickets but they can easily buy a gun without a license. The cases of debilitating mental illness has skyrocketed.

Humans are toxic, and so have made the world toxic. The grim reaper is going to have a field day.

And that is connected to race and goes back many years ...

Association of American Medical Colleges
How we fail black patients in pain
Janice A. Sabin, PhD, MSW
January 6, 2020
Half of white medical trainees believe such myths as black people have thicker skin or less sensitive nerve endings than white people. An expert looks at how false notions and hidden biases fuel inadequate treatment of minorities’ pain.
https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how- ... ients-pain
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“Black people’s nerve endings are less sensitive than white people’s.” “Black people’s skin is thicker than white people’s.” “Black people’s blood coagulates more quickly than white people’s.”

These disturbing beliefs are not long-forgotten 19th-century relics. They are notions harbored by far too many medical students and residents as recently as 2016. In fact, half of trainees surveyed held one or more such false beliefs, according to a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academies of Science. I find it shocking that 40% of first- and second-year medical students endorsed the belief that “black people’s skin is thicker than white people’s.”

What’s more, false ideas about black peoples’ experience of pain can lead to worrisome treatment disparities. In the 2016 study, for example, trainees who believed that black people are not as sensitive to pain as white people were less likely to treat black people’s pain appropriately.
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AMA Journal of Ethics
Medical Education
Mar 2015
Education to Identify and Combat Racial Bias in Pain Treatment
Brian B. Drwecki, PhD
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/ar ... nt/2015-03
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Reducing racial bias in pain treatment is a laudable and feasible goal that requires attention to and management of health care professionals’ self-concept; an interdisciplinary approach to research that bridges knowledge and expertise across multiple fields; and a medical education system primed to take advantage of its unique position at the heart of health care professional formation and development. This paper provides support for a more complex understanding of the social and psychological factors driving racial bias in medicine and pain treatment, presents evidence that reducing racial biases is possible, and considers medical education’s role in doing so.
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AMA Journal of Ethics
Policy Forum
May 2013
Pain and Ethnicity
Ronald Wyatt, MD, MHA
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/ar ... ty/2013-05
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Despite the availability of effective pharmacologic and nonpharmacologic interventions and methods to manage pain, there is a significant gap between the evaluation and treatment of pain in white people and its evaluation and treatment in African American and Hispanic people [4]. Differences in pain treatment may be due to differences in needs—e.g., resulting from genetic differences—or to inequities—unfair differences in access or opportunity, e.g., unavailability of opioids in a neighborhood [2]. Another cause of differences in treatment may be a lack of awareness among clinicians and trainees of evidence-based guidelines.
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Given the above information , this is a unforgivable practice in the medical professions treatment of other than white patients …Hope someone sometime does a study into this .
Once again the entire nation just wants the simple answer , “ Get the Guns” which is a tactic used by political despots whom do not care to address the actual issue , which maybe more involved but would
lead to a lasting cure . This is merely a continued method to remove civil rights from the people over a long calculated period of time. Eg. the “patriot act “ after the bogus 9/11 event , now every where in the US all the sudden mass shootings popping up and reported . Adolph Hitler used the tactics in the early days of Germany . The Reichtag building burnt to ground ( that was their twin towers) . Promised huge infrastructure projects to help unemployment . Put people back to work in bad times . Anyone notice all the mom and pop grocery stores disappearing , in favour of huge chain markets . Which will hardly move into any “ poor “ neighbourhoods.
Anymore and cannot wait to get out of them. Or get out of financially poor areas. Have seen this in this area , where I live. Repeatedly . The police force claims to be badly understaffed and will not even reply to reports of vandalism and burglary and other associated lower level crimes here now . This leaves the people as victims of criminal types ,
Handicapped and elderly , and only the lawyers make money. If someone get hurt defending themselves .And all their finances goes to lawyers
And all emotional stress that goes with that. Only problem is the police force has become far too top heavey.
All the majors and captains waiting to retire , while no one wants to be a regular officer.
Our society is a planned society , just not by the people whom are in it .
Someone once said : you may judge a society by its treatment of its elderly and poor .

and by that metric amuuurica sucks big wind.