More grasping for straws.....

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The point that flew over your head was that people committing crimes for their political leaderbean of choice have still committed crimes and deserve to face the consequences of them.

I read and responded to your post. trump cultists don't deserve to be pardoned for committing crimes.

Is English your first language?

It is.

Do you need something translated to something else ? Try google translate.

Is it like write only? You don't seem to understand it very well, answering questions that weren't asked and then claiming that you did.

With any luck, he'll be in custody before the next election.

I get what Dox is saying. In fact I was thinking about this very conundrum before I saw this thread.

Lets say that you're a mom, or dad. Lets say you encourage your children to play hooky from school, and encourage the kiddos to rob banks, and to bring you home the loot. And lets say that your children finally all get busted by the cops, but for some reason you DONT get arrested (so your kids have to take the fall for you). In that situation it would be kinda nasty of you to NOT post bail for your children, and it would be kinda decent of you to ...at least VISIT your kids in prison once in a while- since it was YOUR depraved negligence as a parent that got them into prison.

A political leader is to his adult followers what a parent is to their children (example, role model, etc).

So when a defeated incumbent POTUS refuses to accept that he was defeated, and encourages his followers to riot and to attack congress in order to reverse a free and fair election then that defeated office holder is like the above criminally negligent parent. And the arrested rioters are like the children of the said parent (perpetrators yes, but also themselves victims of a depraved and irresponsible leader).

So if that leader returns to office (even if in a fair election) it could be argued that he owes it to those incarcerated followers to pardon them.

BUT...

Here is the thing. He can only do that if the said leader takes responsiblity and blame upon himelf. Which would mean admitting the election was not stolen, and that Biden won fair and square. Admitting that he was irresponsible in encouraging violence.. And thats for starters. It would be nice if the (supposed billionaire) leader were to offer to pay damages out of his own pocked in exchange for letting his hapless followers go. Or failing that - start somekind of government program to pay and make some kind of reparations in exchange for...letting his haplass duped followers go.

Thank you, pretty good summary of my thinking on this. I don't think what Trump did met the legal bar for incitement, as that's a high bar for good reason, but he definitely set the thing in motion, and those people wouldn't be in jail if it weren't for him, hence my comments. Maybe you'll have better luck conveying it.

Just because someone else encouraged you to commit a crime and you were stupid enough to do it doesn't absolve you of committing a crime.. what's not to get about that? They deserve to be in jail.

This is getting painful to read. I want to explain, but I know it will be met with resistance

That's how I feel, the active refusal to understand is difficult to accept as benign. Hanlon's Razor says incompetence, but my gut says malice.

I understand the concept that “the least Trump can do is pardon these people,” owing to what they went through on his behalf—but I still don’t believe it is objectively morally right to pardon them.

And I certainly hope, if he’s elected again, that he doesn’t pardon them. That would be the death-knell for this country.

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*correction: trump being elected again would be the death-knell for your country.

I will be a little more charitable and possibly masochistic by trying to explain once, but I think the bias is strong in this one.



I don't believe anyone here is not getting what you are saying, but you seem almost obsessively intent on mischaracterizing Dox47's post as a pro-trump, pro-crime comment, which it clearly wasn't.