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15 Dec 2022, 5:46 pm

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The constitution overrides all laws.


According to the chronicle of higher education (another paywall US publication) there have been hundreds of students expelled across US colleges and universities for posting racist slurs on social media.

A lot of them were expelled during the George Floyd protests in 2020
https://www.diverseeducation.com/studen ... or-resigns

One of the Missouri State university adminstrators, Dr Cliff Smart, in the above link states "the public university is “legally required to uphold the principles of free speech” embodied in the First Amendment to the Constitution."

This means all of the cases where expulsion was enacted the adminstrators were aware they breached the US constitution laws pertaining to free speech. Despite legal action (in many cases) from the racist students the university decisions are upheld.

So why is that? Because most US colleges and Universities have policies that prioritise diversity and inclusion. For example Brown University (a prominent Ivy league university) enacted a anti-harrassment bill in 1989 that recognised that making racist remarks is an act of hate speech. Since 1989 this expanded from video recordings or publications to include social media, Since Brown other universities have also introduced bills against racist hate speech including Stanford, Tufts and the Universities of California and Wisconsin.
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/12/us/s ... peech.html

From the above link 1991 link A Brown spokesman, Mark Nickel, said that in past years students found guilty of serious behavioral violations had been dismissed and asked not to return but that the term expulsion was not used until about two years ago. Expulsion means a student is never permitted to return, while dismissal means a student may reapply after a specified period. Act of New President.

Throughout the US, university officials have adopted codes forbidding oral, written or even symbolic attacks on individuals or small groups of individuals on the basis of their sex, race, ethnic origin, color, handicap, religion or sexual preference.

According to legal experts
https://mclellan.law.msu.edu/questions/ ... sts-online

The Supreme Court has identified a few categories of speech that aren’t protected by the First Amendment (which means the government can censor them). These unprotected categories are:

Fighting words
Incitement speech
True threats

True threats are statements that show that the speaker intends to hurt a specific person or group of people.
Racist tweets can therefore be interpreted by university administrators as threatening.

In the case of Ms Miller in the Univ of Missouri her act also breaches incitement speech as she was egging people to take acts of violence against black people.



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15 Dec 2022, 8:20 pm

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ASPartOfMe wrote:
The constitution overrides all laws.


According to the chronicle of higher education (another paywall US publication) there have been hundreds of students expelled across US colleges and universities for posting racist slurs on social media.

A lot of them were expelled during the George Floyd protests in 2020
https://www.diverseeducation.com/studen ... or-resigns

One of the Missouri State university adminstrators, Dr Cliff Smart, in the above link states "the public university is “legally required to uphold the principles of free speech” embodied in the First Amendment to the Constitution."

This means all of the cases where expulsion was enacted the adminstrators were aware they breached the US constitution laws pertaining to free speech. Despite legal action (in many cases) from the racist students the university decisions are upheld.

So why is that? Because most US colleges and Universities have policies that prioritise diversity and inclusion. For example Brown University (a prominent Ivy league university) enacted a anti-harrassment bill in 1989 that recognised that making racist remarks is an act of hate speech. Since 1989 this expanded from video recordings or publications to include social media, Since Brown other universities have also introduced bills against racist hate speech including Stanford, Tufts and the Universities of California and Wisconsin.
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/12/us/s ... peech.html

From the above link 1991 link A Brown spokesman, Mark Nickel, said that in past years students found guilty of serious behavioral violations had been dismissed and asked not to return but that the term expulsion was not used until about two years ago. Expulsion means a student is never permitted to return, while dismissal means a student may reapply after a specified period. Act of New President.

Throughout the US, university officials have adopted codes forbidding oral, written or even symbolic attacks on individuals or small groups of individuals on the basis of their sex, race, ethnic origin, color, handicap, religion or sexual preference.

According to legal experts
https://mclellan.law.msu.edu/questions/ ... sts-online

The Supreme Court has identified a few categories of speech that aren’t protected by the First Amendment (which means the government can censor them). These unprotected categories are:

Fighting words
Incitement speech
True threats

True threats are statements that show that the speaker intends to hurt a specific person or group of people.
Racist tweets can therefore be interpreted by university administrators as threatening.

In the case of Ms Miller in the Univ of Missouri her act also breaches incitement speech as she was egging people to take acts of violence against black people.

Without seeing the article I can not say if the codes are constitutional or if the expelled students committed hate crimes. I can say that wokes can be just as caviar about breaking the constitution as MAGA’s can be. I can say these codes are regularly thrown out.

Hate speech is protected free speech, even on college campuses October 25, 2017
Erwin Chemerinsky is dean and Jesse H. Choper distinguished professor of law at the University of California Berkeley School of Law .He is the co-author, with Howard Gillman, of Free Speech on Campus (Yale University Press, 2017).
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We should refuse to allow hateful speakers on campus,” a campus faculty member said.

The statement was met with resounding applause. I mentally prepared for the response to what I was going to say next.

It was September, and I was at a forum at which several professors, including me, discussed free speech issues before a large audience of students at the University of California Berkeley. Several faculty and students had already implored Chancellor Carol Christ to revoke the invitations of conservative provocateurs Milo Yiannopoulos and Ann Coulter to speak on campus, and their declarations were met with enthusiasm.

Finally, I spoke up. “Be clear that if Chancellor Christ were to exclude speakers based on their viewpoint, she would get sued and lose,” I said. “The speakers would get an injunction and be allowed to speak. They would recover attorneys’ fees and maybe money damages. They would be portrayed as victims. And since they would get to speak anyway, nothing would be gained.”

No one applauded.

I have been dean of Berkeley’s law school for several months. But before I arrived at campus, the university, home of the free speech movement of the 1960s, had become a battleground for a new kind of campus speech debate.

I have been teaching First Amendment law to law students and undergraduates for more than 37 years. I have also litigated free speech cases, including at the Supreme Court.

Students today are driven by a desire to protect their classmates from hate speech
Disputes over free speech on campus have long occurred, but today is different. Usually in the past, it was students who wanted to speak out and campus administrators who tried to stop demonstrations. Now it often is about outside speakers and outside disruptors, like the radical leftist protest group antifa. The campus is just the place for their battle.

At Berkeley and elsewhere, it is now often students and faculty calling for preventing the speakers while campus officials are steadfastly protecting freedom of expression.

In my seminars the past two years (before Berkeley, I was at UC Irvine’s law school), I was surprised by how much the students wanted campuses to stop offensive speech — and the degree to which they trusted campus officials to have the power to do so. A 2015 survey by the Pew Research Institute said that four in 10 college students believe the government should be able to prevent people from publicly making statements that are offensive to minority groups.

While teaching our class on free speech on campus at UC Irvine, Chancellor Howard Gillman and I realized that the students’ desire to restrict hurtful speech came from laudable instincts. This is the first generation of college students to be taught from a young age that bullying is wrong; they have internalized this message. Many spoke powerfully of instances in which they or their friends had suffered from hurtful speech. They want to make campuses inclusive for all, and they know that hate speech causes great harm, especially among those who have been traditionally underrepresented in higher education.

But I worry, too, that students do not realize the degree to which free speech has been essential for the advancement of rights and equality. There would not have been a 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote, without the women’s suffrage movement and its widespread demonstrations. The civil rights protests of the 1960s — lunch counter sit-ins, the march on Selma, demonstrations on campuses — were essential to bringing about the end of segregation.

Those events, though, are ancient history for my students. I worry that they equate freedom of speech more with the vitriol of the anonymous messaging app Yik Yak than the anti-Vietnam War protests I participated in when I was in college. I was surprised by how little our students knew about the history of free speech, including the outbreak of McCarthyism, when faculty and students suffered greatly from the lack of legal protection for expression and academic freedom

Every effort by the government to regulate hate speech has been declared unconstitutional. Over 25 years ago, more than 350 colleges and universities adopted hate speech codes. But every court to consider such a hate speech code declared it to be unconstitutional. The codes inevitably were far too vague in terms of what speech was permitted and what was prohibited. Of course, free speech is not absolute and can be punished when it incites illegal activity, constitutes a “true threat” that causes a person to fear imminent harm to his or her physical safety, or rises to the level of prohibited harassment.

This does not mean that campuses are powerless in the face of disruptive or hateful speech. Even though there is a First Amendment right to speak, that does not mean that protesters have the right to demonstrate in the middle of a freeway at rush hour. A campus surely could prohibit a large demonstration in a classroom building while classes are in session. Campuses can regulate when and where speech takes place in order to prevent disruption of school activities. Controversial speakers can be placed in auditoriums where it is easier to assure safety and prevent disruptions. Demonstrations can be placed in areas away from where classes are in session.

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Who am I to believe you or the expert? Every case means plenty of progressive judges were throwing these speech codes out. Hate speech is protected, Hate crime is not. The difference is imminent threat such as this.
Chicago man did ‘Nazi march,’ threatened to burn rabbi in gas oven, prosecutors say
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Chicago man who claimed to be a Nazi threatened to burn a rabbi in a gas oven and yelled “Heil Hitler” while doing a “Nazi march” outside a Jewish high school on Sunday, prosecutors allege.

Jay Bollyn, 69, appeared in bond court on Tuesday to face two counts of felony hate crimes and two misdemeanors. Judge Susana Ortiz ordered him to pay a $10,000 bail deposit to go home on electronic monitoring.

The incident began shortly before 11 a.m. Sunday outside Bais Yaakov High School of Chicago, 5800 North Kimball, where parent-teacher conferences were occurring.

Bollyn, who was near a fence outside the school, asked a witness if they were Jewish and made anti-Semitic comments, Assistant State’s Attorney Rhianna Biernat said. School staff members saw the interaction escalate into a verbal altercation, so they notified a rabbi about what they saw.

The rabbi, who also serves as head of security for other private Jewish schools, stepped outside to intervene.

Bollyn redirected his anti-Semitic rant toward the rabbi and threatened to burn the rabbi in a gas oven, Biernat said. He allegedly lunged toward the rabbi and then claimed to be a Nazi — and even showed off his “Nazi haircut.”

Biernat went on to say that when the Chicago police showed up, Bollyn was marching like a Nazi after shouting “Heil Hitler.” Officers took Bollyn into custody.

His assistant public defender, Matthew Shepard, argued that there were no injuries during the alleged incident, and “it sounds like mere words” were said.

He is on probation for filing a false complaint and has been convicted of five misdemeanors this year, according to Biernat. Judge Ortiz ordered him held without bail on a probation violation until the judge handling that case reviews the new allegations.

The Turning Point supporter typing on her computer was not an imminent threat. I have not read anything indicting the Turning Point supporter was engaging in a campaign of harassment. If she was that is another story.

The administers can believe whatever they want, the constitution is not on their side.


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15 Dec 2022, 10:27 pm

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The Turning Point supporter typing on her computer was not an imminent threat. I have not read anything indicting the Turning Point supporter was engaging in a campaign of harassment. If she was that is another story.

The administers can believe whatever they want, the constitution is not on their side.


So what I have established from the links I have posted is there is a long history of US colleges and Universities expelling students for acts of racism.

Where the act is committed by a member of staff or a student which targets at individual student involving harassment, threats of violence or imagery or verbal abuse then it immediately overrides any first amendment protections for the racist to hide behind.

If the racist uses threatening language aimed at threatening a group with violence then it falls under threatening language and the first amendement can't protect their racist ass

Where it becomes less obvious is when the student is posting racist jokes,. Here again secondary schools, colleges and universities have used their discretion and expelled students.

I am not aware of one case where a racist students have won against the university ruling to expel them. You are welcome to post any if you find examples



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16 Dec 2022, 12:17 am

“For acts of racism”, not speech. “Targets an individual student” Ms. Miller did not do that.

You have not established there is a long history of expelling students for speech.
Let’s go to the non paywalled article
After Racist Posts About George Floyd, Some Colleges Expel Students, Professor Resigns
The article reported one student who was expelled for speech. The article was written on June 3, 2020 during the height of the protests. If there were suits to overturn the expulsion it happened later. The incidents mentioned were not expulsions, they were rescinding an offer of acceptance. Also staff are employees, they can be fired for not doing what the bosses want.

Minors do not have all the rights, so secondary schools are in a different catagory.


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16 Dec 2022, 2:01 am

It appears I can access the paywall articles? not sure why?

As for Meg Miller

The latest news is the Univ of Missouri will take disciplinary actions relating to Miller relating to the incident but have said it's under review. However, they noted that “in general, students who are found responsible for committing a policy violation can face a wide range of disciplinary action up to, and including, expulsion from the university.”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/turning- ... 81464a4a00
Again first amendment constitutional rights don't automatically apply to this despicable individual. The University reserves the right to apply the full action of their policies if they feel the student has created a unsafe or hostile environment on campus.

I am 99% sure she will end up like her hero Kyle Rittenhouse and get expelled. Remember Rittenhouse was (correctly) thrown out of Arizona State University. Good riddance.



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16 Dec 2022, 7:38 am

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i wish i could send our present SCOTUS out to the phantom zone, or at least the destructive 6 in it.


Same, but I would be ok with keeping Roberts on.


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16 Dec 2022, 8:12 am

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i wish i could send our present SCOTUS out to the phantom zone, or at least the destructive 6 in it.


Same, but I would be ok with keeping Roberts on.

yeh, he's not quite as dissocial as the other 5 of his ilk.



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16 Dec 2022, 9:52 am

^^^^ that would be a curious thing to have happen^^^^^

But it does cause me to wonder how that would work out versus. The USA free speech laws?
Maybe it’s the idea that someone actually had put it on paper versus just saying it to someone.?


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16 Dec 2022, 11:50 am

I did not know about Rittenhouse. There seems to be a mystery about why he is not a student there.
As controversy over his enrollment swirls, ASU says Kyle Rittenhouse is no longer a student

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Kyle Rittenhouse is not currently an Arizona State University student, the university confirmed Monday.

In recent media interviews, he said he wants to study on campus at ASU.

After Rittenhouse said on the witness stand on Nov. 10 that he was a college student at ASU, the university confirmed he enrolled as a non-degree-seeking online student for the session that started in mid-October, although he hadn't gone through the admissions process and wasn't enrolled in the nursing school. But according to the university, he’s not a student anymore.

“Our records show that he is not currently enrolled,” ASU spokesperson Jay Thorne wrote in an email. “There was no action taken by the university.”

Thorne would not provide more information about whether Rittenhouse withdrew from classes or why his enrollment status changed.


Rittenhouse may still enroll at ASU

Although it’s not clear from the university why Rittenhouse is no longer enrolled, it seems he can still apply for courses or a degree in the future.

“Any qualified individual can apply for admission,” Thorne wrote in an email.

The same would have been true with a guilty verdict. ASU does not ask questions about criminal history in the admissions process or for online enrollment, so even if Rittenhouse was imprisoned, he could continue as an ASU online student, Thorne previously said.

Rittenhouse said during two extensive interviews last week that he planned to continue studying at ASU.

He told Ashleigh Banfield in an interview on NewsNation that he took a “compassionate withdrawal” from two classes “because I got overwhelmed with trial coming on,” but that he plans to go back to school.

“Next semester that opens up, I’m going to re-enroll in those classes just so I can finish them up and pursue my career in nursing,” he said, adding that while he’s been taking classes online, he hopes he can be on campus.

And Rittenhouse told Tucker Carlson on Fox News that there were still things to look into, "but I do intend on going on campus,” with the intention of studying nursing, or maybe law, at ASU.

“I’m hoping I can live a quiet, stress-free life and be free of any intimidation or harassment and just go on with my life as a normal 18-year-old kid attending college,” he said.

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Kyle Rittenhouse now says he’s going to Blinn College, after Texas A&M said he’s not a student
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Days after he told a conservative podcast that he was going to Texas A&M University, Kyle Rittenhouse corrected himself on Twitter to say that he is planning to attend Blinn College, a two-year public college, this year.

His announcement comes one day after a Texas A&M spokesperson told The Texas Tribune on Sunday that Rittenhouse had not in fact been accepted at the Tier One research university for this summer or fall, despite his claims about his plans to attend. The university would not say whether Rittenhouse had applied to the school.

A Blinn College spokesperson said Rittenhouse submitted his application on April 28, but he has not enrolled for a current or upcoming term at Blinn. The junior college is open enrollment, meaning all students are welcome.

No university expelled him. A few schools probably rejected his application. Rittenhouse is a serial liar. Any university would be legally justified for expelling a student for multiple times claiming he went to schools that he did not.

As for Ms. Miller it is obvious the university is reluctant to do anything and is still hoping it all goes away. This “investigation” will probably end after all the students have graduated. Everybody will assume the stalling is for racist reasons. I think they know they are on shaky legal ground. Either expulsion violates the school code of conduct or the code of conduct is unconstitutional.

I doubt the punishment would be expulsion probably more like sensitivity/anti racism training. She will probably contest that.

The university as others are between a rock and a hard place. Don’t discipline her have the school branded as racist, lose enrollment. Discipline her have their code of conduct thrown out and thus lose a lot of power to discipline students, and still lose enrollment because students feel unsafe with her as a fellow student. No wonder the administration is paralyzed, not knowing what to do.


In one of the articles it is mentioned that prisoners attend colleges. This is not some woke invention, this happened in my day. Interesting that as far as I know there are no students claiming fear from people who have committed actual crimes but over a student who posted a bunch of “own the libs” snapchat photos.


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16 Dec 2022, 6:44 pm

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As for Ms. Miller it is obvious the university is reluctant to do anything and is still hoping it all goes away. This “investigation” will probably end after all the students have graduated. Everybody will assume the stalling is for racist reasons. I think they know they are on shaky legal ground. Either expulsion violates the school code of conduct or the code of conduct is unconstitutional.

I doubt the punishment would be expulsion probably more like sensitivity/anti racism training. She will probably contest that.


I think the Missouri university statement made it clear that a range of disciplinary options are being explored for Ms Miller which they included the word "expulsion" as a possibility.

Keep in mind the student union have publicised the incident, doxxed the Ms Miller and demanded the student be expelled, Even if she (by some miracle) was permitted to remain enrolled I doubt she would risk setting foot back on campus. Probably the only option left for her is to enrol via distance learning but I highly doubt she would be able to complete her entire degree via that delivery mode.

BTW I am waiting for evidence that any university student suspended or expelled for racism has won any legal settlement against their former institution based on an alleged breach of constitutional law pertaining to free speech?'



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16 Dec 2022, 7:36 pm

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As for Ms. Miller it is obvious the university is reluctant to do anything and is still hoping it all goes away. This “investigation” will probably end after all the students have graduated. Everybody will assume the stalling is for racist reasons. I think they know they are on shaky legal ground. Either expulsion violates the school code of conduct or the code of conduct is unconstitutional.

I doubt the punishment would be expulsion probably more like sensitivity/anti racism training. She will probably contest that.


I think the Missouri university statement made it clear that a range of disciplinary options are being explored for Ms Miller which they included the word "expulsion" as a possibility.

Keep in mind the student union have publicised the incident, doxxed the Ms Miller and demanded the student be expelled, Even if she (by some miracle) was permitted to remain enrolled I doubt she would risk setting foot back on campus. Probably the only option left for her is to enrol via distance learning but I highly doubt she would be able to complete her entire degree via that delivery mode.

BTW I am waiting for evidence that any university student suspended or expelled for racism has won any legal settlement against their former institution based on an alleged breach of constitutional law pertaining to free speech?'

I did a bunch of googling and those of those expelled or suspended for racism. Those seem to fall in the category of high school students who don't have the same rights as adults or there was an apparent physical or verbal assault with racist slurs used which does not fall under First Amendment protection.

A bit off-topic but most of these articles use phrasing along the lines of "racist slur". The prohibition against using literal slurs makes it harder to determine how much of a threat if any really occurred in these incidents.

I think "expulsion" was used as a virtue signal in a pathetic attempt to mollify the students. I am sure their lawyers are pouring over her social media trying to find something that is not pure speech.

From here we are going to have to wait. We don't know the whole story, we only "know" her from a few articles. Assuming no first amendment violation is found is she a "keyboard warrior" who won't go back to school due to fear or will she try and go back? If she goes back the government is under obligation to protect her. Failure to do so will be giving in to woke mob rule and she will be winning a nice cash settlement. Time will tell, with lawyers, involved who knows.


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16 Dec 2022, 10:22 pm

There are obviously limits to how much universities can act against "hostile" white students.

Arizona State University built a Multicultural centre which according to ASU "help to provide a sense of (safe) place and support for students of color". It is predominantly occupied and used by PoC. coalition refused to give up. In addition to protests and press interviews, the group started petitions, screened films and, eventually, drafted a 20-page plan to address racial inequality at A.S.U. — a blueprint that included a multicultural center. Members also pointed out moments of racism and harassment at the university: a religious-right activist protesting while wearing a T-shirt that read “Muslims Will Rape You”; anti-immigrant and neo-Nazi fliers plastered around campus; a student group called College Republicans United whose members were caught sharing racist, homophobic and antisemitic messages online. (That group, still an official student organization, last year tweeted a Thanksgiving meme referring to Native Americans as “undocumented immigrants” who “refuse to learn local language” and “still get food assistance.”)

In Sept 2021 two white students (Beckerman and Niles) entered the building and occupied a table in the multicultural centre. One of them with a T-shirt that said “Did Not Vote for Biden” and the other with a Police Lives Matter sticker on his laptop. One of them (Beckerman) was apparently a medical student and planned to be a doctor.

They were confronted three female students (two black and one Pakistani). Prior to the confrontation the two students were laughing and pointed the affronting stickers/t-shirt toward the three women. The female students interpreted the act to provoke them. At this point the girls started videoing the incident and in the confrontation that followed the two white students were asked why they had racist stickers/t-shirts and were asked to leave. After an altercation the two men left.

The video of the incident went viral and ASU investigated the five students involved. What made this incident different is that a group of 20 Arizona state republican legislators signed an open letter threatening funding cuts against A.S.U. for “using taxpayer dollars" to build the multicultural centre and "institutionalize racism and further divide our society by enabling neo-segregation.”

The Arizona republicans used the incident to attack university building a multicultural safe space for students of colour (ignoring ASUs long history of racism on campus). The incident was also highlighted on Tucker Carlson who blasted ASU for giving in to "wokes".

What ensued after Tucker Carlson was the three girls received thousands of death threats which included vile threats to rape them. The parents of the girls had to keep them locked in the house.

The three female students were months away from submitting their PhDs. In addition to republicans and MAGAs, the local Arizona police leaked private information to the media that one of the girls had been arrested at a George Floyd march in 2020. The apparent timing of the leak appeared to be strategic to expel the student prior to her graduation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/07/maga ... enter.html

Meanwhile it was revealed the two white boys were being represented by an Arizona senator Jeff Flake

ASU finally took action against two of the girls Tekola and Qureshi who were left with just one code-of-conduct violation — for interrupting a university-sanctioned activity against the two white boys — and they were asked to write an essay explaining how they would be more “civil” in the future. No action was taken against Beckerman and Niles.

Despite the intervention of republicans and Tucker Carlson, the multicultural centre remains a space for students of colour. All parties have gone on with their lives but in this incident the "wokes" clearly did not have the victory they were after and it exposed systemic racism by political organisations. the police and other organisations.



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19 Dec 2022, 9:04 pm

I live not overly far from MU and Columbia.

Recently from local news,

https://krcgtv.com/news/local/universit ... ent-leader

University of Missouri reviewing allegations of racism from alleged student leader
by Michael AdkisonThursday, December 15th 2022

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The details of the review are not public, but the university's spokesperson, Christian Basi, told KRCG 13 the review will focus on whether or not Miller actually violated any policies.

"We wanted to make sure that folks knew we were aware and that we were taking action by a review through our office of institutional equity," Basi said. "And that process is ongoing."

According to Basi, the post had been made months ago and is not in reference to anything that has happened recently. Instead, it appears to be a reference to a 1986 comment from a controversial figure commenting on the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., on MLK Day.

Still, it was just over a month ago when university officials condemned a separate instance of racism widely criticized by students and faculty. Several flyers were posted around campus that appeared to contain white supremacist ideas.

Basi said the university faces a challenge of balancing free speech on campus while also protecting student safety and diversity.

"We want to make sure that all students on our campus have an opportunity to provide their viewpoints, and we do not shield our organizations, our campus community, from viewpoints that many might find abhorrent or horrible," he said. "But we will condemn that language, as it not being a part of the university's values."
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20 Dec 2022, 11:49 am

We want to make sure that all students on our campus have an opportunity to provide their viewpoints, and we do not shield our organizations, our campus community, from viewpoints that many might find abhorrent or horrible," he said. "But we will condemn that language, as it not being a part of the university's values."
(from posting above.)

( my opinion) below:
This should be unacceptable policy ; Condemning as a opposed to accepting its appearance in a institution of higher learning . Unless you are trying to cause students to wish to avoid that institution. As written before the faculty there
needs to be , at the very least evaluated . The concept of providing a unstressful environment to learn in. Might be a paramount concern. 8O ,Condemnation as well banning its appearance would be preferancial....... IMHO this is a vile and digusting policy that the college apparently adhears to. :evil:


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20 Dec 2022, 2:00 pm

Jakki wrote:
We want to make sure that all students on our campus have an opportunity to provide their viewpoints, and we do not shield our organizations, our campus community, from viewpoints that many might find abhorrent or horrible," he said. "But we will condemn that language, as it not being a part of the university's values."
(from posting above.)

( my opinion) below:
This should be unacceptable policy ; Condemning as a opposed to accepting its appearance in a institution of higher learning . Unless you are trying to cause students to wish to avoid that institution. As written before the faculty there
needs to be , at the very least evaluated . The concept of providing a unstressful environment to learn in. Might be a paramount concern. 8O ,Condemnation as well banning its appearance would be preferancial....... IMHO this is a vile and digusting policy that the college apparently adhears to. :evil:

As I mentioned above the policy is something as a public university, an arm of the government they have no choice but to abide by the first amendment. If as claimed the post was referencing the MLK assassination then picture was referencing something that she felt should have happened 54 years ago, more evidence of no immediate threat and no first amendment violation. The statement further validates my opinion that they are quite aware of the potential enrollment and financial hit they may take from this and are desperately trying to find something that would make the post a policy violation. I am not sure but governments are not obligated to fund things so they might be able to refuse any future financial aide or scholarships?

The first job of a university is to prepare students for the adult world. That world is full of stress and bigots.

I am not going pass final judgement on these administrators as we don’t know all the facts. In general I don’t envy them, it’s a minefield these days, a lot of lose-lose choices they have to make.


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20 Dec 2022, 4:30 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
The first job of a university is to prepare students for the adult world. That world is full of stress and bigots.
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Precisely. In the real world bigotry is not tolerated anymore. There are plenty of members here on WP who have told stories of being harrassed/discriminated in a hostile work environment.

I personally know of a psychopathic school bully who is currently holding a fairly high office right now with hundreds of people under him. Do they change? unless they are educated it seems likely he hides his true nature. But that puts people at risk.

The young people who are expelled are themselves were being bigots (parents have some role here). Perhaps in the schools they went to they were encouraged because there were no black students so it was easy to fall into that way of thinking.