11 Jan 2023, 2:33 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
MissMary227 wrote:
Trump will not be indicted. Or ever convicted. He has a guardian angel I think.
Never say never. Even John Gotti, the Teflon Don, finally got his.
We can only hope.
11 Jan 2023, 2:34 am
DW_a_mom wrote:
Reading another article on this matter, I will note that in cases like this the crime is less in having made the mistake, than in trying to cover it up or double down on it. Which it is in any one case is best determined by looking at all the surrounding facts.
Oh, no!
Poor fauci!
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11 Jan 2023, 2:49 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
"Political hypocrisy" when it is uncovered.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
This is hardly the same thing as with Trump. The Dear Leader had denied he had (many more) classified documents, then claimed they were stolen by the feds, then had been planted on him by said feds. Biden's people did the right thing by turning the documents over to the federal government upon discovery.
They HIDE this information until AFTER the elections.
How can you not see the corruption in this???
How is that? Everything I've heard says those documents had only been recently discovered.
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11 Jan 2023, 2:50 am
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Reading another article on this matter, I will note that in cases like this the crime is less in having made the mistake, than in trying to cover it up or double down on it. Which it is in any one case is best determined by looking at all the surrounding facts.
Oh, no!
Poor fauci!
How is Fauci involved in this?
11 Jan 2023, 3:06 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
"Political hypocrisy" when it is uncovered.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
This is hardly the same thing as with Trump. The Dear Leader had denied he had (many more) classified documents, then claimed they were stolen by the feds, then had been planted on him by said feds. Biden's people did the right thing by turning the documents over to the federal government upon discovery.
They HIDE this information until AFTER the elections.
How can you not see the corruption in this???
More like failed to issue a press statement.
There is a long standing policy not to announce investigations or issues involving politicians during a certain window surrounding an election. That was a policy Comey choose to violate back in 2016. It wasn't the norm. Holding back is the norm.
But I wouldn't object to having someone look into it all, to make sure it wasn't politically motivated. It does feel a little off. Not sure why. I'm not an expert.
11 Jan 2023, 3:09 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
"Political hypocrisy" when it is uncovered.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
This is hardly the same thing as with Trump. The Dear Leader had denied he had (many more) classified documents, then claimed they were stolen by the feds, then had been planted on him by said feds. Biden's people did the right thing by turning the documents over to the federal government upon discovery.
They HIDE this information until AFTER the elections.
How can you not see the corruption in this???
How is that? Everything I've heard says those documents had only been recently discovered.
They were found and immediately turned over in November. Pretty sure, anyway.
11 Jan 2023, 6:46 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Reading another article on this matter, I will note that in cases like this the crime is less in having made the mistake, than in trying to cover it up or double down on it. Which it is in any one case is best determined by looking at all the surrounding facts.
Oh, no!
Poor fauci!
How is Fauci involved in this?
My point is that fauci is one of those who "doubled down" on a big fat lie.
Keep up with the program, my friend.
11 Jan 2023, 6:50 am
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
"Political hypocrisy" when it is uncovered.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
This is hardly the same thing as with Trump. The Dear Leader had denied he had (many more) classified documents, then claimed they were stolen by the feds, then had been planted on him by said feds. Biden's people did the right thing by turning the documents over to the federal government upon discovery.
They HIDE this information until AFTER the elections.
How can you not see the corruption in this???
More like failed to issue a press statement.
There is a long standing policy not to announce investigations or issues involving politicians during a certain window surrounding an election. That was a policy Comey choose to violate back in 2016. It wasn't the norm. Holding back is the norm.
But I wouldn't object to having someone look into it all, to make sure it wasn't politically motivated. It does feel a little off. Not sure why. I'm not an expert.
What isn't "politically motivated", these days?
Bugger all, in my book.
I am being serious here.
11 Jan 2023, 7:01 am
DW_a_mom wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
"Political hypocrisy" when it is uncovered.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
This is hardly the same thing as with Trump. The Dear Leader had denied he had (many more) classified documents, then claimed they were stolen by the feds, then had been planted on him by said feds. Biden's people did the right thing by turning the documents over to the federal government upon discovery.
They HIDE this information until AFTER the elections.
How can you not see the corruption in this???
How is that? Everything I've heard says those documents had only been recently discovered.
They were found and immediately turned over in November. Pretty sure, anyway.
Evidence, plz.
I don't blindly believe everything/k I see or hear.
I am not serious about wanting "evidence".
I am simply making a point that there is too little skepticism in the world from where I stand.
I come from a place that involves: Possibilities, probabilities, and probable certainties (such as in the origins of the Coronavirus).
I think some ppl seem to forget that much of what is said are OPINIONS rather than facts.
And consider:
There is a lot of misinformation or disinformation out there.
And there is klear media bias to consider, such as in the case of Twitter.
A big problem is that ppl have a habit of jumping to conclusions.
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11 Jan 2023, 8:42 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
"Political hypocrisy" when it is uncovered.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
This is hardly the same thing as with Trump. The Dear Leader had denied he had (many more) classified documents, then claimed they were stolen by the feds, then had been planted on him by said feds. Biden's people did the right thing by turning the documents over to the federal government upon discovery.
1. Right now it seems a lot less then Trump’s taking classified documents but is way too early to be making a judgement. Often where there is smoke there is fire. That some of the documents pertain to Ukraine is interesting. Remember these were found after Trump’s mansion was raided, that might have influenced how Biden’s lawyer’s reacted.
2. Even if turns out to be a lot less then with Trump comparing things with what Trump did is an unacceptability low bar to set.
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11 Jan 2023, 1:22 pm
Apples to oranges.
Biden ppl found a couple docs and self reported them to the national archives and turned them over the next day.
Orange guy stole stuff, lied about it, refused to give them back, ignored subpoenas, moved and hid them further, lied about declassifying them etc etc etc
Huge difference in admitting you made an error and correcting it asap and committing intentional cascading criminal acts.
Apples to oranges.
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11 Jan 2023, 5:22 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
"Political hypocrisy" when it is uncovered.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
Ahhhh.
So satisfying.
This is hardly the same thing as with Trump. The Dear Leader had denied he had (many more) classified documents, then claimed they were stolen by the feds, then had been planted on him by said feds. Biden's people did the right thing by turning the documents over to the federal government upon discovery.
1. Right now it seems a lot less then Trump’s taking classified documents but is way too early to be making a judgement. Often where there is smoke there is fire. That some of the documents pertain to Ukraine is interesting. Remember these were found after Trump’s mansion was raided, that might have influenced how Biden’s lawyer’s reacted.
2. Even if turns out to be a lot less then with Trump comparing things with what Trump did is an unacceptability low bar to set.
It is extremely embarrassing for Biden, whatever the case.
"PPL in glass houses should not throw stones."
What a "whoopsie".
11 Jan 2023, 5:23 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Apples to oranges.
Biden ppl found a couple docs and self reported them to the national archives and turned them over the next day.
Orange guy stole stuff, lied about it, refused to give them back, ignored subpoenas, moved and hid them further, lied about declassifying them etc etc etc
Huge difference in admitting you made an error and correcting it asap and committing intentional cascading criminal acts.
Apples to oranges.
Biden ppl found a couple docs and self reported them to the national archives and turned them over the next day.
Orange guy stole stuff, lied about it, refused to give them back, ignored subpoenas, moved and hid them further, lied about declassifying them etc etc etc
Huge difference in admitting you made an error and correcting it asap and committing intentional cascading criminal acts.
Apples to oranges.
That is your OPINION, yes.
BTW, I don't BLINDLY believe everything/k ppl say.
11 Jan 2023, 5:32 pm
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Evidence, plz.
It was self-reported so, honestly, I guess we'll never know. There is no way to know.
What we do know:
Given that the records office never requested them, there was no general knowledge they existed.
There was no court subpoena looking for them.
But conveniently, for the Democratic party, the "error" was "discovered" AFTER the election.
Does anyone seriously believe that the disclosure was postponed isn't a possibility?
Government organisations are SUPPOSED to be impartial, but haven't we seen in abundance that this isn't always the case?
If ppl can't even consider the possibility of this, is there any wonder that they are seen as "hyperpartisan" in nature?
Once again, I will say I think some ppl embrace a competitive debating mindset and are more interested in defending their narrative rather than being interested in unearthing the Truth.
11 Jan 2023, 9:30 pm
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Evidence, plz.
It was self-reported so, honestly, I guess we'll never know. There is no way to know.
What we do know:
Given that the records office never requested them, there was no general knowledge they existed.
There was no court subpoena looking for them.
But conveniently, for the Democratic party, the "error" was "discovered" AFTER the election.
Does anyone seriously believe that the disclosure was postponed isn't a possibility?
Government organisations are SUPPOSED to be impartial, but haven't we seen in abundance that this isn't always the case?
If ppl can't even consider the possibility of this, is there any wonder that they are seen as "hyperpartisan" in nature?
Once again, I will say I think some ppl embrace a competitive debating mindset and are more interested in defending their narrative rather than being interested in unearthing the Truth.
The discovery date lists as November 2nd. Other than "immediately," the exact notification date is unknown. With mail in and early voting, most people had already voted by then.
It would be a bizarre time to make a potentially politically sensitive announcement (Biden wasn't on the ballot) because facts wouldn't be understood yet, and there certainly wouldn't be time for voters to get context.
Not to mention, as with all news of this type, how you hear the initial news is heavily colored by what you already believe.
It is also worth noting that the Attorney General referred the case to a US attorney appointment by TRUMP for evaluation.
I have no issue with this all getting questioned and evaluated. It should be.
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