Trumps Wants To Expand Death Penalty???

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What about cases like Dylan Roof? Mass shootings are one case where it's pretty difficult to get the wrong guy.

Though the main argument I usually hear against executing mass shooters is that they already have a death wish. Given how many kill themselves, it's clear some of them do, though I don't know if all would qualify.

Exactly.

That's my thought -
School shooters who are recognised by their classmates, teachers, and security cam.
Spouses who kill spouses and children in DV.

The man who stabbed my son and his best friend on CCTV - Who had savagely murdered a homeless man.
He was let out of jail for the murder, and let off on bail for the stabbings. Never stood trial.

Child abductors and child sex offenders who don't / can't / won't rehabilitate.

To H with them all for all I care.

Well gross, if anything we should do away with it.


Death penalty can lead to wrongfully convicted people being executed, plus execution does not bring back the dead. Idk I feel like we should be more like the norse countries that have no death penalty.

Yep…..like Isabella said!! !!

First off...thats not the issue. The issue is that the person proposing this is a politician with a history vindictiveness, who has also shown a contempt for democracy, and an urge to become a dictator.

Second: executing them...wont bring back your son or whomever. You can make it as gruesome as you want. Bring back drawing and quartering. It still not gonna magically bring back the folks who were murdered.

Third: It brings rot (for lack of a better word) into the souls of the executioners, which includes all the people of the civilization (word used loosely) sponsoring the execution.

But the main point in this thread is #1 above. It would not be good to have an amoral impulsive person in charge of meting out death sentences.

^My sentiments, exactly!

Plus certain verses in the Bible and Quran are considered hate speech, which is a criminal offense.

I'm so sorry this happened.

I chose your quote not only because it's how I feel, but also because the sanctimony will not leave those who have not been touched by unpunished criminal, or even removal of the opportunities to harm again, UNTIL it happens to them or someone they love.

The death penalty is at least SOMETHING to hang over the heads of killers or would be killers. A lot more than catch and release or all the 'what ifs' of the justice system. I am sick to death of criminals having more value than victims.

We all feel sorry for Isabella, and we all relate to it. But thats still not the issue.

If you kept the death penalty and even did what Trump wants - to back to archaic means of doing it...you would still have "catch and release". Probably MORE of that.

The death penalty wouldn't have made a difference in Isabella's case. The problem wasn't with the sentence that was applied, it's that no conviction was ever secured.

Stricter punishments don't mean jackshit to people who aren't convicted.

We certainly need more deterrence.

By your logic, doing something is making it worse. By my logic, doing nothing isn't doing us any good either. So, we must agree to disagree.

That isn't always true. I have often read of victims families who have testified against giving the killer the death penalty because of personal convictions. I can say this with sincerity, that if a crime against a loved one gets me to change my beliefs, then the criminal has won, he's brought me down to his level, and I do not plan to allow someone to do that. Standing firm on my beliefs despite all the hate and anger and revenge I know would be in my heart, would be something I would do for ME, not him. Killing on top of killing does not improve anything. Brutal consequences strip all of us of the ability to behave with compassionate humanity; the crackdown always goes beyond the obvious, no matter how much anyone claims it won't. It's a road I strongly believe is very destructive for a society, and innocents will get hurt if it is taken. Life in prison with no possibility of parole an keep society safe from the convicted killer.

That said, I know we all come from different places on issues like this, and despite my strong feelings on the topic and what the "best" answer is, I can respect that others won't agree and that I can be outvoted. I respect that someone whose family has been victimized can take an entirely different path than I sincerely hope I would take. None of us hold all the answers; we're all just figuring out life best we can, and who am I to say my opinions are the end all of the end all for anyone else? I'll try to sell my case, but it ends there.

Can he do this?