Pride And No Kings!
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Kraichgauer
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Other than that New Orleans cabal (that included some homosexuals) that might have led to JFK's death, I'd think you'd be pretty lonely on the far right as a gay American.
I absolutely detest socialists; America doesn't need socialist politicians. I'm anti socialist because I support the ownership of private property and I am pro-gun ownership. These people have been ruining the country. While it is lonely many left wing/socialists even back then would be considered homophobic by today's standards,
"Socialist" is a term thrown around carelessly by Trump and the right to disparage anyone who they don't like or disagree with. Most of the California state leadership aren't socialists, they just understand that capitalism has been proven to be good for the top few, but harmful to the majority of people, unless there are safeguards and regulations keeping the system and those who run it in line for the benefit of all.
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Other than that New Orleans cabal (that included some homosexuals) that might have led to JFK's death, I'd think you'd be pretty lonely on the far right as a gay American.
Mishima sums up the type of homosexual I am
I did skim Mishima's wiki entry, which I found very fascinating. His choice for a second in his own seppuku could have been better, though.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Other than that New Orleans cabal (that included some homosexuals) that might have led to JFK's death, I'd think you'd be pretty lonely on the far right as a gay American.
I absolutely detest socialists; America doesn't need socialist politicians. I'm anti socialist because I support the ownership of private property and I am pro-gun ownership. These people have been ruining the country. While it is lonely many left wing/socialists even back then would be considered homophobic by today's standards,
"Socialist" is a term thrown around carelessly by Trump and the right to disparage anyone who they don't like or disagree with. Most of the California state leadership aren't socialists, they just understand that capitalism has been proven to be good for the top few, but harmful to the majority of people, unless there are safeguards and regulations keeping the system and those who run it in line for the benefit of all.
"In line for the benefit of all," sounds like socialism. Capitalism just allows the person the freedom to bust their hump... If you're an entrepreneur and you create a need for something that people didn't know they had, you make money by carving out your own path. Or, if you choose a profession and you work within that profession and you get to keep the majority of those earnings, you're surviving within a Capitalist economy. In my opinion (from what I lived as the offspring of a small business owner), Capitalism is just the freedom to work, the ability to market your worth and assets, pay a fair tax ( not have the government swoop in and take 40% right off the top for less fortunate ), to own property, to earn enough to save a little and not have a government think they're entitled to take it away and give it to someone else, etc...
I have never had a problem with Capitalism. I'm not rich, I'm happy with the little I have. It becomes an issue when people like me who have relatively little become envious of the people who have so much more. And they think they can appoint someone to say, " you have more money than you need, we don't care that the product is your brainchild, we're taking the majority away from you because we think you don't need it and others do."
I just think the only thing I should pay attention to is me. If I'm in my lane, I'll be so busy trying to survive I won't have time or care what someone else is doing. That's a great way to live, imho.
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I don't have a problem with people making a living by running a business of some kind, or even making an extra profit from it, and I don't believe the elected leaders of California do, either. My problem is with unrestrained, unregulated capitalism, in which business people can pay their employees as little as they can get away with, for as long as they can, without any promise of security. These same types of business people will say employees just have to work harder, and they will be rewarded for their merit, but that effort never seems to be enough. I know not every business person fits this mold, but too many do. These are the same type that opposes organized labor, and any workers' safety laws and rights. We were promised a rising tide raises all boats, but a great many find themselves sinking without hope of rescue. Or in other words, many have been left by the business community into believing that capitalism is just a con game, and that the majority of us are the suckers.
You were raised in a business owning family, but I come from a different environment; I was born into a working class, union household. My dad never became rich, but thanks to his union, he made enough pay with benefits that my mom could stay at home, while I was spoiled rotten. Because of members of the business community who put profits over people, the world I was raised in is becoming rarer and rarer.
By the way, the promise of "benefit for all" isn't socialist. It would only mean that capitalism is working. If everyone benefited from the free market, then America would not have a huge wealth gap, and workers would have much more buying power, which is the actual engine of the economy. But that seemingly is only accomplished by restraints on capitalism.
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I don't have a problem with people making a living by running a business of some kind, or even making an extra profit from it, and I don't believe the elected leaders of California do, either. My problem is with unrestrained, unregulated capitalism, in which business people can pay their employees as little as they can get away with, for as long as they can, without any promise of security. These same types of business people will say employees just have to work harder, and they will be rewarded for their merit, but that effort never seems to be enough. I know not every business person fits this mold, but too many do. These are the same type that opposes organized labor, and any workers' safety laws and rights. We were promised a rising tide raises all boats, but a great many find themselves sinking without hope of rescue. Or in other words, many have been left by the business community into believing that capitalism is just a con game, and that the majority of us are the suckers.
You were raised in a business owning family, but I come from a different environment; I was born into a working class, union household. My dad never became rich, but thanks to his union, he made enough pay with benefits that my mom could stay at home, while I was spoiled rotten. Because of members of the business community who put profits over people, the world I was raised in is becoming rarer and rarer.
By the way, the promise of "benefit for all" isn't socialist. It would only mean that capitalism is working. If everyone benefited from the free market, then America would not have a huge wealth gap, and workers would have much more buying power, which is the actual engine of the economy. But that seemingly is only accomplished by restraints on capitalism.
Fair enough
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Kraichgauer
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Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
I don't have a problem with people making a living by running a business of some kind, or even making an extra profit from it, and I don't believe the elected leaders of California do, either. My problem is with unrestrained, unregulated capitalism, in which business people can pay their employees as little as they can get away with, for as long as they can, without any promise of security. These same types of business people will say employees just have to work harder, and they will be rewarded for their merit, but that effort never seems to be enough. I know not every business person fits this mold, but too many do. These are the same type that opposes organized labor, and any workers' safety laws and rights. We were promised a rising tide raises all boats, but a great many find themselves sinking without hope of rescue. Or in other words, many have been left by the business community into believing that capitalism is just a con game, and that the majority of us are the suckers.
You were raised in a business owning family, but I come from a different environment; I was born into a working class, union household. My dad never became rich, but thanks to his union, he made enough pay with benefits that my mom could stay at home, while I was spoiled rotten. Because of members of the business community who put profits over people, the world I was raised in is becoming rarer and rarer.
By the way, the promise of "benefit for all" isn't socialist. It would only mean that capitalism is working. If everyone benefited from the free market, then America would not have a huge wealth gap, and workers would have much more buying power, which is the actual engine of the economy. But that seemingly is only accomplished by restraints on capitalism.
Fair enough

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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
May I ask, what are your concerns?
Had heard from a penpal in Seattle ,the Closer to Eastern, Wash. you get the more Right wing the people become?
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Kraichgauer
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May I ask, what are your concerns?
Had heard from a penpal in Seattle ,the Closer to Eastern, Wash. you get the more Right wing the people become?
Let's just say the east side of Washington state is more conservative than the west, though just how conservative I think has been stereotyped on the west side. The mere fact that Spokane has a Pride Parade, and had a No Kings rally, I think says that's hardly a hard and fast rule. In fact, Advocate Magazine, a major LGBTQ periodical, had named Spokane the 3rd most gay friendly city in the country. Most right wing people tend to be in the small towns and country, and in rural Idaho on the other side of the state line from Spokane. And even that's hardly true in every case.
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