Mom: Web Hoax Led Girl to Kill Herself

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07 Dec 2007, 5:42 am

Sounds like someone holding a grudge about not getting any support, so they're getting upset over people who do get support, and are able to be heard when victimized.


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07 Dec 2007, 6:29 am

Anyone who contemplates suicide needs our compassion and understanding regardless of their circumstances or supposed deserved-ness. Such despair and overwhelming hopelessness should not be wished upon our worst enemy, let alone a fellow traveller.



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07 Dec 2007, 7:47 pm

The problem is not whether so9mone is contemplating suicide, or not, whether they have suicidal feeling or not. The problem is that someone is so devoid of self worth that they commit suicide because someone says something mean. Someone said something mean? Why the hell should that matter, have a backbone, actually take the time to think about things and then realize that your better than that. People should be able to survive things worse than this without any problem, otherwise they are just far to shallow and weak to survive the real world.


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07 Dec 2007, 8:02 pm

EvilJeff wrote:
The problem is not whether so9mone is contemplating suicide, or not, whether they have suicidal feeling or not. The problem is that someone is so devoid of self worth that they commit suicide because someone says something mean. Someone said something mean? Why the hell should that matter, have a backbone, actually take the time to think about things and then realize that your better than that. People should be able to survive things worse than this without any problem, otherwise they are just far to shallow and weak to survive the real world.


Yes, normally, but this girl was already depressed, apparently severely; we're not talking about a healthy person committing suicide over this. Everybody seems to have failed her - evidently she was not successfully (if at all) treated for depression; her mother, who was aware of the 'boy' she was contacting online didn't find it odd that he did not have a phone number (neither mobile nor landline) and that he never tried to phone her; obviously the other girl and her mother, who as they had known her for a long time and had been friends surely knew of her history of depression and yet the mother was complicit in this and the ex-friend told her the world would be a better place if she was dead (the ex-friend's mother's complicity is surely a kind of child abuse), and finally she was failed by all the other people that knew about the hoax but did nothing.


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08 Dec 2007, 5:40 am

EvilJeff wrote:
The problem is not whether so9mone is contemplating suicide, or not, whether they have suicidal feeling or not. The problem is that someone is so devoid of self worth that they commit suicide because someone says something mean. Someone said something mean? Why the hell should that matter, have a backbone, actually take the time to think about things and then realize that your better than that. People should be able to survive things worse than this without any problem, otherwise they are just far to shallow and weak to survive the real world.


I doubt that one mean comment is sufficient to trigger suicide in very many people at all, but one mean comment on top of a lifetime of crap might just be the straw that breaks the camels back.



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08 Dec 2007, 11:19 am

Why is everyone blaming the neighbors and not looking at whether or not the girl had a crappy upbringing with parents who were vapid and cold? I was watching TV while eating breakfast the other day and they were talking about the whole situation. They came across to me as jut being bitter and cold.


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08 Dec 2007, 12:30 pm

EvilJeff, I just had a look over the sum total of your comments.

I call thee troll.


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08 Dec 2007, 12:43 pm

Troll, or trying to get a point across, you decide...


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08 Dec 2007, 1:06 pm

EvilJeff wrote:
Troll, or trying to get a point across, you decide...
Trying to get a point accross. I know that I'd sure hate to live in a world where if someone personally attacks someone, and that someone commits suicide to perserve his/her honour, the offending person gets prosecuted. Freedom of speech, including hate speech, is essential. Otherwise certain music groups whose lyrics deal with suicide could be held liable if certain fans kill themselves. This actually happened to a heavy metal group called "Black Sabbath". Parents suited Ozzy Osbourne, after there son died from suicide. He was cleared of culpibility. http://www.tjcenter.org/ArtOnTrial/ozzy.html



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10 Dec 2007, 5:53 am

EvilJeff wrote:
Troll, or trying to get a point across, you decide...


Aside from blaming the victim, your point is what...?



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10 Dec 2007, 7:37 am

FFS, she was only 13. How was she supposed to know it was a (sick) prank. I couldnt tell who was lying to me at 13 and I still cant.


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10 Dec 2007, 9:55 pm

The point is that we always look at a situation from the point of view of "oh this person was an angel, and that person was such an evil bad bad person, lets chastise them." I look at this situation and ask, what could have been done differently. If the girl was unstable enough to kill herself because someone said bad things to her, whose fault is that? Is that the result of the neighbor saying something mean, or genetics, or a cold heartless family that she was brought up in. I am curious as to which one of those it is, and I am not going to pass judgment on what from my point of view has mostly been a slam and denigrate the neighbors crusade until I hear all sides of the story.


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11 Dec 2007, 4:30 am

EvilJeff wrote:
The point is that we always look at a situation from the point of view of "oh this person was an angel, and that person was such an evil bad bad person, lets chastise them." I look at this situation and ask, what could have been done differently. If the girl was unstable enough to kill herself because someone said bad things to her, whose fault is that? Is that the result of the neighbor saying something mean, or genetics, or a cold heartless family that she was brought up in. I am curious as to which one of those it is, and I am not going to pass judgment on what from my point of view has mostly been a slam and denigrate the neighbors crusade until I hear all sides of the story.


Thanks for the clarification, I can see your point. You make a good point about waiting to hear all sides of the story.