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09 Apr 2008, 7:11 pm

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My husband said that the reason there is such a high rate of severe deformities is that many of these parents are the extremely poor in India and because of the caste system, they have been poor for generations and generations. There is also a high rate of inbreeding, poor nutrition, almost no health care whatsoever. And also in his opinion that they have been this way, stuck in the lowest of the caste for so long, that it is quite possible that they are just starting to de-evolve in many ways.


Like in Total Recall?

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But I would have thought it would happen the other way around:

People who are richer and suffer from fewer environmental pressures are more likely to “stagnate” and become genetically corrupted than the poor; those who suffer more hardships. That is because in the most impoverished of areas most people that are born with genetic mutations and abnormalities that reduce their chances of survival are weeded out by natural selection, improving the quality of the gene pool (only the strongest survive). In more advanced societies, no such pressures exist and even the weakest and sickest of humans survives to breeding age and reproduces, perpetuating his or her flawed characteristics.

I suppose that could be called de-evolution.


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09 Apr 2008, 10:53 pm

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Yeah, pretty sure she only has one brain -- the doctors said they couldn't separate her because everything is encased in one skull.

She can eat with both mouths, breath out of both noses etc. (both are fully functioning) And I think she is a little cutie myself *shrugs*

My husband said that the reason there is such a high rate of severe deformities is that many of these parents are the extremely poor in India and because of the caste system, they have been poor for generations and generations. There is also a high rate of inbreeding, poor nutrition, almost no health care whatsoever. And also in his opinion that they have been this way, stuck in the lowest of the caste for so long, that it is quite possible that they are just starting to de-evolve in many ways.


sorry, but scientifically we don't 'devolve'
we can definitely have genetic abnormalities and absorbed to co-joined twins and even triplets occur as birth 'defects'. But there is no 'de evolution' any more than we can go back in time.

Merle

I mean I suppose you can believe what ever ya' want to, for all the good it does ya' but science doesn't agree.



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09 Apr 2008, 11:22 pm

Yeah, we don't devolve. Unless you're talking about this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KZQw5b7_Qw&feature=related[/youtube]



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10 Apr 2008, 12:29 am

How about the boy, with the tail. I think it would be neat, to have a tail. :O)


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10 Apr 2008, 12:36 am

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How about the boy, with the tail. I think it would be neat, to have a tail. :O)

wow, it all depends on where the placement was. I mean, I am sitting here on this exercise ball that I use for a desk chair and thinking where my tail would be. . I would be sitting RIGHT on it! I weird out on stuff in the 'wrong place' enough as it is!

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10 Apr 2008, 12:56 am

Aridarr wrote:
Mumof5 wrote:
My husband said that the reason there is such a high rate of severe deformities is that many of these parents are the extremely poor in India and because of the caste system, they have been poor for generations and generations. There is also a high rate of inbreeding, poor nutrition, almost no health care whatsoever. And also in his opinion that they have been this way, stuck in the lowest of the caste for so long, that it is quite possible that they are just starting to de-evolve in many ways.


Like in Total Recall?

Image

Image

Image

Image

But I would have thought it would happen the other way around:

People who are richer and suffer from fewer environmental pressures are more likely to “stagnate” and become genetically corrupted than the poor; those who suffer more hardships. That is because in the most impoverished of areas most people that are born with genetic mutations and abnormalities that reduce their chances of survival are weeded out by natural selection, improving the quality of the gene pool (only the strongest survive). In more advanced societies, no such pressures exist and even the weakest and sickest of humans survives to breeding age and reproduces, perpetuating his or her flawed characteristics.

I suppose that could be called de-evolution.

Where's the chick with three boobs?



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10 Apr 2008, 1:24 am

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Where's the chick with three boobs?


Who? Anne Boleyn?



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10 Apr 2008, 1:32 am

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I think its amazing really and glad she is being celebrated...


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10 Apr 2008, 2:01 am

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I think its amazing really and glad she is being celebrated...


She's a cutie pie! see that dimple right in the middle? awwwww. . .

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10 Apr 2008, 9:13 am

MartyMoose wrote:
Aridarr wrote:
Mumof5 wrote:
My husband said that the reason there is such a high rate of severe deformities is that many of these parents are the extremely poor in India and because of the caste system, they have been poor for generations and generations. There is also a high rate of inbreeding, poor nutrition, almost no health care whatsoever. And also in his opinion that they have been this way, stuck in the lowest of the caste for so long, that it is quite possible that they are just starting to de-evolve in many ways.


Like in Total Recall?

Image

Image

Image

Image

But I would have thought it would happen the other way around:

People who are richer and suffer from fewer environmental pressures are more likely to “stagnate” and become genetically corrupted than the poor; those who suffer more hardships. That is because in the most impoverished of areas most people that are born with genetic mutations and abnormalities that reduce their chances of survival are weeded out by natural selection, improving the quality of the gene pool (only the strongest survive). In more advanced societies, no such pressures exist and even the weakest and sickest of humans survives to breeding age and reproduces, perpetuating his or her flawed characteristics.

I suppose that could be called de-evolution.

Where's the chick with three boobs?


Shagging your dad. :P

(Joking, of course. :) I didn't post that picture in case it was considered too explicit.)

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Mumof5 wrote:
Yeah, pretty sure she only has one brain -- the doctors said they couldn't separate her because everything is encased in one skull.

She can eat with both mouths, breath out of both noses etc. (both are fully functioning) And I think she is a little cutie myself *shrugs*

My husband said that the reason there is such a high rate of severe deformities is that many of these parents are the extremely poor in India and because of the caste system, they have been poor for generations and generations. There is also a high rate of inbreeding, poor nutrition, almost no health care whatsoever. And also in his opinion that they have been this way, stuck in the lowest of the caste for so long, that it is quite possible that they are just starting to de-evolve in many ways.


sorry, but scientifically we don't 'devolve'
we can definitely have genetic abnormalities and absorbed to co-joined twins and even triplets occur as birth 'defects'. But there is no 'de evolution' any more than we can go back in time.

Merle

I mean I suppose you can believe what ever ya' want to, for all the good it does ya' but science doesn't agree.


We can't literally de-evolve, but we can de-generate. That's what I had meant.


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10 Apr 2008, 3:08 pm

It's likely not the numbers of this are so much increasing over there as that there are just so many people over there.

Conjoined twins aren't as rare as you'd think and it's an interesting topic. Conjoined Twins Info


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10 Apr 2008, 3:32 pm

I didn't think she was a conjoined twin case... they're calling it craniofacial duplication.


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10 Apr 2008, 3:48 pm

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I didn't think she was a conjoined twin case... they're calling it craniofacial duplication.


It seems like a gray area to me. I don't think the doctors really know what happened in the womb in the early stages.

The other one in the article was pretty clearly an incomplete ischiopagus twin. Although classifying conjoined twins is difficult because each case in slightly unique.


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10 Apr 2008, 3:53 pm

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Yeah, we don't devolve. Unless you're talking about this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KZQw5b7_Qw&feature=related[/youtube]


OMG what was that!


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10 Apr 2008, 4:02 pm

Dude thats sick


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10 Apr 2008, 4:06 pm

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LeKiwi wrote:
I didn't think she was a conjoined twin case... they're calling it craniofacial duplication.


It seems like a gray area to me. I don't think the doctors really know what happened in the womb in the early stages.

The other one in the article was pretty clearly an incomplete ischiopagus twin. Although classifying conjoined twins is difficult because each case in slightly unique.



Just reading about it now, if appears to be an abnormality in the protein Sonic Hedgehog (SHH) (no joke, it's what it's called...), which is basically in charge of how the facial structures develop. Too much and the face widens and eventually duplicates in extreme cases, too little and you can end up with cyclopia.


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