Congratulations Ellen...

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so. . .we can not exhibit homophobia on WP?

is that what that means?

I didn't mean to violate the rules by posing John McCain's homophobic comments. (i.e.irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.)

I apologize for bringing the YouTube link into the thread, I would feel horrible if I were not able to express my true feelings because I would not like to make other people feel uncomfortable, and did not realize I was setting up a situation where someone could not respond.

sincerely,
Merle

and I would like to congratulate the happy couple!

Since I began posting about this issue on WP, I have had a change of heart. I believe I have become a better man and indeed a better Christian. I realized the nastiness and hatred in myself and recoiled from it. Until a controversy like this shows you a human face, you can remain callous and uncaring.

IMO whatever the Bible says against sexual morality and homosexuality is at once overridden, superseded by the commandment to love one another as ourselves, to forgive, not to be hyporcrites, etc. Jesus gave these commandments personally. The new covenant replaces the old covenant. In his day, Jesus sociliazed with outcasts and untouchables and was despised for it.

I am still in a moral quandary. I want to remain loyal to the church, but I now find some of its laws to be unconscionable. These laws have been around long enough to fossilize and become like stone. Unyielding. Can we make this monumental change without destroying Christianity?
The church, however mighty and impervious to time, has had to keep up with changing times. It must again make a profound change or die.

Adapt or die. That's a scary proposition for anyone. Part of the church is indeed a dinosaur, a bony relic, a scaly old skin to be moulted.

It's youth and life are worth saving. Amen, everyone.

Slowmutant, what an awesome thing to realize and act upon. Way to go.

Firstly, congratulations to the happy couple, and congratulations to another state and another country (hopefully, eventually) finally accepting that love is love, and we all have the right to have that recognised - you can't distinguish between romantic love between people of the same or opposing sexes; it's just love, pure and simple. The sooner it's accepted the free-er we'll be to love even more strongly and more openly and more happily. Love heals.

Eh, I don't agree with what Ellen argued.

I think the more people drop this holier than thou attitude to marriage an put it on a pedestal and more towards just making a choice between two people the better.

Good luck to them I don't know much about ellen. I like the name portia because it is my favourite spider.

Needless to say this is not a clear-cut issue. The issue of same-sex unions will not be easily resolved and should not, IMO, be viewed as black and white. There are all kinds of ambiguities here, moral, social, political, and religious. There is much gray area here, a whole quagmire of it.

I'm still conflicted about it. Where to redraw the lines of right and wrong, if these lines can in fact be drawn absolutely? I don't know. Should Christianity be put to the sword in favour of something else? I don't know. Dogma isn't always about right and wrong. Pomp and ceremony don't always serve the public interest.

If faith and politics weren't so hopelessly intertwined, it might be easier on the head and easier on the heart for same-sex unions to fully absorb into the Christian collective entity.

Massachusetts allowed same sex marriage and guess what. .

nothing happened!
few out side of the affected group even noticed
no heterosexual's life changed it was (as my friend in MA said) "a non-issue"

I see it as a civil rights issue. Because what if they decided people on the autistic spectrum should not marry nor reproduce. Just because it was 'morally wrong.'
That would be a civil rights issue to me.

Merle

Couldn't have put it better, Merle.

Seriously, what kind of a God says you're damned from the word 'go'? That's not a God of love, that's a God of hate and coercian and spite. Not to mention classing entire groups of people as sinners on top of that simply for being who they are. A horrible religion if those are two of the most basic tenets.