Why can't they identify these cowardly scumbags ?

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Well the violence in Israel/Palestine is so different to that we're talking about here, that the answer is totally irrelevant. And as long as the waters keep getting mudied like this, we'll never gave an answer and the violent thugs will always get the last laugh.

Actually, there may be a connection because wherever there is violence in the world, it is invariably gangs of young men, aged 15 - 25 doing it. Don't know about the Middle East, but in Ireland, 'The Troubles' provided a great opportunity for these young men to justify their violence with half-baked political ideals.

I can almost guarantee there is NO violence in these spoiled English/Scottish thugs lives other than the violence they perpetrate.

Talking of the cycle of violence reminds me that I've read several times that where crime is falling (which it generally is in much of the western world), it correlates to an increase in the ease of getting abortions some years earlier. Whether this is evidence for a 'cycle of violence' or people just 'born bad', I don't know

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Peaceful independance is very much the exception. Indeed most real political change only happens when the power-possessors are physically frightened.

Again, this has NOTHING TO DO with the violence we're talking out here. The perpatrators have no political purpose. They are not discriminated against or oppressed in any way. Well, not in any way different to all of us servants of the Big Corporations are subdued and oppressed

I wait expectantly to be tripped up and beaten senseless by a group of policemen continuing the cycle.

I've little sympathy for the police these days. Since they became the strong-arm of the Labour party, detaining political opposition and recording our DNA when we've not even been charged with a crime, then a good kicking is all they deserve.

THat last remark is uncalled for ASCAN .... and maybe goes someway to explaing where we are going wrong ! !

It could have been your son lying helpless on the floor ! !

I bet you wouldn't hesitate to call the police when you have some sort of trouble ! !

Video games are today's excuse. In the 80s it was punk rock, in the 60s it was marijuana, and in the 50s it was comic books.

With all those bad influences, it's a wonder we all managed to get this far!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7405259.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manc ... 406351.stm

Violence begets violence. You can't get solve violence with more violence no more than you could put out a fire with more fire.


Maybe this is hard for some posters to understand because it's just two sentences, with small words, simple sentences, and no URL links.

Not really. I've watched them smashing the heads of old folk protesting about this government passing laws to prevent country people carry-on an activity they've enjoyed for centuries. I've watched them arrest people for just expressing an opinion. Yet, I know if I come home and find my house has been burgled then they're unlikely to be interested, unless I've caught the burglar and given him a good pasting, in which case they'd be over to arrest me in minutes. This DNA thing is just the latest. In that regard they're the enemy, just like Gordon Brown and his cronies, and whatever ill befalls them I'll not be shedding any tears.

On the other hand, I recognise the need for law and order to be maintained, and it's better someone does it than let things degenerate in to anarchy. I wouldn't suggest assaulting a police officer is a good thing, but when I watched them draw those metal batons on innocent protestors, then I wished those protestors would catch one and hang the bastard from the nearest lamppost. You see, the problem is not in my attitude, it's in that the police are too politicised. If they were regularly patrolling my neighbourhood looking out for thieves then that would be great. But they're not. They're patrolling looking for people who inadvertently commit minor infractions of the law as they're easy prey to make their statistics look good. Much of that law is new law enacted for political ends.

You might think my opinions extreme, but I value my freedom. Anyone who acts for the state and abuses that power I hold in very low regard.

they don't grow tea in England!

LOL Yeah they were really angels under the conservatives. They weren't known as Thatchers bully boys for nothing you know! Personally speaking I think the Police do a thankless job to the best of their limited ability. Of course they are some bad eggs like everywhere.

True enough. I suppose that exposes the real problem: that few people have any respect for them. That can only get worse as more and more adults become disillusioned with the way the police operate, their hostility towards them will be passed on to their kids -- I expect that's partly to blame for the actions discussed by the original poster. The way society has changed has influenced things, too, and in that respect it could be said that people like me are partly to blame as we are unwilling to blindly accept what we are told is for the best.

we are in a country thats too liberal IMO but on the other hand the police are paid to put up with that kind of stuff