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The NRA was caught sending a spy into an anti-gun group... should this case be prosecuted as a crime?
Yes, it is definitely criminal. 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
No, there was nothing wrong with what the NRA did. 51%  51%  [ 24 ]
Maybe, it isn't criminal, but it was definitely unethical. 43%  43%  [ 20 ]
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03 Aug 2008, 3:47 pm

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Charlton Heston might have been less than a saintly human being, his film legacy notwithstanding. He was a hero to many by way of the movies he acted in and the roles he played, but Hestons' film career couldn't speak to what kind of man he really was.

He served in WW II in the 1940's and participated in Civil Rights marches in the 1960's, but because you don't like him on the gun issue he was evil huh? Not everybody considers murdering their parents, but you did, so how are you better than Heston? Douchebag.



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03 Aug 2008, 4:00 pm

I didn't say he was evil. Maybe he was a great guy, I don't know. Sounds like you're villifying me for being anti-gun.



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03 Aug 2008, 4:15 pm

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I didn't say he was evil. Maybe he was a great guy, I don't know. Sounds like you're villifying me for being anti-gun.
No I am attacking you for being a man who has admitted assaulting your family members in other threads but now you attack a man who never committed any such crime because you don't like the positions he took. He was a Christian as well but he actually believed the 5th Commandment, you know, the one about Honoring thy Mother and Father. You DO live in a glass house so maybe you should stop throwing stones at the dead, jerk!



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03 Aug 2008, 5:20 pm

I have never physically assaulted my parents. Please stop saying that. If Charlton Heston was your hero and I bad-mouthed your hero, I apologize.



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03 Aug 2008, 5:28 pm

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If Charlton Heston was your hero and I bad-mouthed your hero, I apologize.


I think what Velodog is saying is that Charlton Heston lead a generally exemplary life, and to condemn him solely for his advocacy for gun rights is asinine. You may remember the brouhaha that occurred here when he died, and the disgusting display of people celebrating his death and wishing his damnation because of his political stance.



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03 Aug 2008, 5:42 pm

I wouldn't go as far as to celebrate Heston's death or wish his damnation. No, that's very un-Christian and it draws bad karma. It's not the principles behind the NRA that I object to, it's the violence. I can respect people defending their freedom. What I can't respect is the reckless and criminal use of firearms that result in so many wrongful deaths. I hope you all can understand that I'm not some kind of blind anti-gun reactionary.



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03 Aug 2008, 6:53 pm

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What I can't respect is the reckless and criminal use of firearms that result in so many wrongful deaths. I hope you all can understand that I'm not some kind of blind anti-gun reactionary.


But that is what you come off as. If it's criminal misuse of firearms that distresses you so much, you should be in favor of punishing criminals, not responsible gun owners. As I've demonstrated to you in previous discussions, the only people affected by prohibitions are people that obey the law. It's the lawful firearms enthusiasts such as myself that are most effected by over reaching gun laws, not the criminals who already ignore the law.



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03 Aug 2008, 7:22 pm

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The NRA was caught sending a spy into an anti-gun group... should this case be prosecuted as a crime?

Nothing wrong about it, especially when it uncovers illegal acts of the group being infiltrated.

I've often infiltrated "New Age" groups to find out their secrets, only to expose them for defrauding the ignorant. In fact, there is one group that holds a "Psychic Fair" near my home on the second Saturday of every month. You wouldn't believe some of the crap they get away with, all in the name of "Open-Mindedness" and "Spirituality." The American Medical association alone would have a field day at all the unlicensed medical practices going on!

People paying hundreds of dollars for daily astrology readings, homeopathic preparations that are no more than colored and flavored tap water, pretty little "crystals" with alleged healing powers that are only cut and polished fragments of broken glass or plastic, and "Chakra Therapies" that involve nothing more than incense, physical groping, and Enya music.

Pathologically pathetic. :?



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03 Aug 2008, 8:21 pm

slowmutant wrote;

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It's not the principles behind the NRA that I object to, it's the violence. I can respect people defending their freedom. What I can't respect is the reckless and criminal use of firearms that result in so many wrongful deaths. I hope you all can understand that I'm not some kind of blind anti-gun reactionary.


Here we go again. :roll:
What is there about the NRA that is violent? You are implying that the NRA advocates or is responsible for violent criminal activity by defending the right to keep and bear arms.



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03 Aug 2008, 8:31 pm

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slowmutant wrote;
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It's not the principles behind the NRA that I object to, it's the violence. I can respect people defending their freedom. What I can't respect is the reckless and criminal use of firearms that result in so many wrongful deaths. I hope you all can understand that I'm not some kind of blind anti-gun reactionary.


Here we go again. :roll:
What is there about the NRA that is violent? You are implying that the NRA advocates or is responsible for violent criminal activity by defending the right to keep and bear arms.


I'm not a gun owner, but I believe strongly in the right to bear arms that is guaranteed by the second amendment. My people have witnessed firsthand what happens when guns are taken from the people. Auties are not high on the list of people the government deems worth saving.


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03 Aug 2008, 8:37 pm

While spying on a nonprofit organization is a little shady, it also is fairly harmless. Activists groups have to make sure their activities are visible anyways so a spy will simply learn what's going to go public anyways. Unless the group is engaging in shady tactics themselves.


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03 Aug 2008, 8:39 pm

Fnord wrote:
jrknothead wrote:
The NRA was caught sending a spy into an anti-gun group... should this case be prosecuted as a crime?

Nothing wrong about it, especially when it uncovers illegal acts of the group being infiltrated.

I've often infiltrated "New Age" groups to find out their secrets, only to expose them for defrauding the ignorant. In fact, there is one group that holds a "Psychic Fair" near my home on the second Saturday of every month. You wouldn't believe some of the crap they get away with, all in the name of "Open-Mindedness" and "Spirituality." The American Medical association alone would have a field day at all the unlicensed medical practices going on!

People paying hundreds of dollars for daily astrology readings, homeopathic preparations that are no more than colored and flavored tap water, pretty little "crystals" with alleged healing powers that are only cut and polished fragments of broken glass or plastic, and "Chakra Therapies" that involve nothing more than incense, physical groping, and Enya music.

Pathologically pathetic. :?


I think your disrespect for beliefs other than your own is pathologically pathetic.



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03 Aug 2008, 8:51 pm

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Here we go again. :roll:
What is there about the NRA that is violent? You are implying that the NRA advocates or is responsible for violent criminal activity by defending the right to keep and bear arms.


Okay, maybe I presume too much to talk about this at all. Enjoy your guns. :roll:



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03 Aug 2008, 10:11 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Pathologically pathetic.

I think your disrespect for beliefs other than your own is pathologically pathetic.

I think that your disrespect for my belief that disrespect for other's beliefs is okay is pathologically pathetic.



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03 Aug 2008, 10:27 pm

I'm rubber you're glue, so whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. :P



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03 Aug 2008, 10:34 pm

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I'm rubber you're glue, so whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. :P

Neener.

Neener.

Neener.

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