Page 2 of 2 [ 23 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

Tim_Tex
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Jul 2004
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 46,731
Location: Houston, Texas

18 Sep 2008, 4:57 pm

Ah, I see.


_________________
Who’s better at math than a robot? They’re made of math!


Sorenna
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 May 2008
Age: 56
Gender: Male
Posts: 519

18 Sep 2008, 5:33 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Do any researchers study the physiological issues, rather than observe behavior?

This is what I want to see. I want to know why we act like this. is it a toxic? Genes? Maybe different for each one of us.
I am not comfortable with a dx based on nothing but behvior that is self reported. I want science.



Tim_Tex
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Jul 2004
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 46,731
Location: Houston, Texas

19 Sep 2008, 7:16 am

Sorenna wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Do any researchers study the physiological issues, rather than observe behavior?

This is what I want to see. I want to know why we act like this. is it a toxic? Genes? Maybe different for each one of us.
I am not comfortable with a dx based on nothing but behvior that is self reported. I want science.


I've always heard that it's caused by a misdistribution of brain cells.


_________________
Who’s better at math than a robot? They’re made of math!


astarisbored
Butterfly
Butterfly

User avatar

Joined: 14 Sep 2008
Age: 49
Gender: Female
Posts: 17

19 Sep 2008, 4:31 pm

dalurker wrote:
LeKiwi wrote:

You miss the point, so I'll rephrase:

Girls tend to blend in better, because the autistic or aspergers traits are very close to what is thought of as being 'girly' and 'normal' anyway. For example, because I'm so literal-minded, I take everything people say to heart. I don't imagine people say things they don't mean - I'm fine these days and will pick up on it generally (still have my moments!), but as a child I never did. But people just thought I was being sensitive, which is a 'female' characteristic. I was always very quiet and a bit nerdy when I was young, with major fixations and obsessions, but people just thought I was 'shy', again, a 'girly' trait. It wasn't the case at all though - I simply didn't understand how to fit in or how to socialise and communicate with my peers, so I stopped trying, because the bullying and laughter became too much.

In short, a lot of autistic/aspergers traits are ones that can manifest in a very similar way to what is thought of as the female 'norm', and when you add to that the female tendency to be social creatures and adults see the little aspie girl trying to fit in and talk to her peers, they assume she mustn't have Aspergers as people with autism 'don't want to make friends'. This means the diagnosis is missed and the true problems we need help with are overlooked because, although I can assure you it's every bit as strong and as difficult as it is in boys and it's certainly not easy in any way, it's more subtle. We try and hide it a lot more, and are in general more successful at that hiding, than boys - at least from my observations.


I usually heard that autistic traits were characteristic of males. Like that "extreme male" theory.


The media has never been that good at reporting science, or at least, that accurately. And while it's not always a bad thing to discuss things outside your field, he's clearly not up to speed on contemporary evolutionary psychology and sociobiology. Or evolution, for that matter (in one little essay-poorly reasoned, imo-he not only claimed that autistics were not only completely incapable of deceit, but that they also evolved differently, which is an outright confusion between development and evolution.



Sorenna
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 May 2008
Age: 56
Gender: Male
Posts: 519

19 Sep 2008, 4:40 pm

astarisbored wrote:

(in one little essay-poorly reasoned, imo-he not only claimed that autistics were not only completely incapable of deceit, but that they also evolved differently, which is an outright confusion between development and evolution.

I can lie if I am pinned in a corner. I hate those black and white statements "they" make.



Kelsi
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 22 Jun 2007
Gender: Female
Posts: 310
Location: Australia

21 Sep 2008, 2:26 am

Maybe Aspie boys are better at expressing their anger than Aspie girls, and so they draw more attention to themselves and then get observed more. I remember when I was a child, I was considered to be extremely 'shy'. I never got angry, I withdrew emotionally and physically, I went off to play by myself most of the time, I was very still in group situations, I was very quiet, etc. - so basically, no one took much notice of me.



LeKiwi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Nov 2007
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,444
Location: The murky waters of my mind...

21 Sep 2008, 7:58 am

Oh I could get angry... I would yell so loud the house would shake. I once slammed a door so hard I broke the hinges. :lol:

(I'll hasten to add I'm a shouter/screamer/crier rather than a hitter, don't think I've ever hit anyone in my life [beyond the karate dojo]).

But my moods are quite simple - 99% of the time I'll be in either happy/super happy/excited/neutral, and then the other 1% I'll be either sad or angry. That's about all I do.

And the extreme male thing I never understood - I'm a proper girly-girl, I love clothes and boys and shoes and whatever else girls are meant to like.


_________________
We are a fever, we are a fever, we ain't born typical...