How bad is it? It's actually pretty darn good

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See, you must have a different interpretation of general population than I do.

There are the money masters (a tiny fraction of the population) then there is the general population. You might have investments, but I'm assuming you ain't a fat cat? Well, while we can do things that might make us feel like we have some sort of control (physical invesments like gold, silver etc), we really don't have control, unless we are at the very top of the chain (and you usually have to be born into those sort of positions). That is the bottom line. Unless you are super rich the wealth/assets that you rely upon are basically always open to manipulation from above.

I'm trying to educate myself on the whole thing but for someone like me there is only so much I can do to protect myself and others. Not until there are greater controls on the economic system to give it some sort of stability and logic can I and others in my situation hope to make it out. This system by it's very nature forces us to be dependant upon it, most people can't break away from it even if we want to. The majority of us are born into the system already firmly in it's grasp. It is a system built on debt slavery. That is how it has been for centuries, and that is how it succeeds. Dependancy.

Yes, there's only so much you can do, so you do what you can.

Or you can take Brian's advice. "Well Stewie, go on the internet and complain about it."

There is no such thing as a 'money master'... large investors lose their shirts all the time trying to control the market, and small investors are getting rich every day by making smart investment choices...

A good number of the world's richest men started out poor (Henry Ford is a prime example), and some of the world's richest men never even finished college (ever heard of a guy named Bill Gates?)...

Smart people, rich or poor, do not take on more debt than they can handle, and thus never become slaves.

Extremely smart people take on zero debt, even the poor ones.

20 years ago I was homeless with no job and no prospects... today I own 3 houses, 3 vehicles, have money in the stock market, and zero debt. Nobody helped me to become what I am, I did it myself through hard work and wise choices. To suggest that there is some shadowy figure somewhere who is my 'master' is laughable.

Investors? Try going further up the chain - the Federal Reserve, the IMF and the Rockerfellas etc. To deny it is laughable. It might be fine to kick back and relax just now but when they start pushing for tighter control of everything it's going to leave a sour taste in everyone's mouth.

I'm not arguing about the fact that being debt free and careful is the best way to go, that is just common sense. I my self am debt free, I never got a mortage before this mess because I knew it did'nt make financial sense. My folks don't have a lot but they own their property - lock, stock - which I suppose means they have more than most. As for the house, 3 cars etc none of that really appeals to me, I'm not a materialistic person at all. I just want live comfortably (and frankly be left in peace) and see those around me live a life without struggle.

Sure people can get rich if they work at it, that's all well and good if your into that. But the system that supports all this is built on a scam, and the carpet can be pulled from under it at any moment. You don't think that is a form of control? Your government are in no better position either, because they have their hands tied by their 'masters', the folk who hold the purse strings. Because, no matter how hard the fact may be to swallow, your nation and mine are BANKRUPT.

Yes I suppose we can just close our eyes and just take care of our own interests, but some of us just don't like injustice on such a scale and from the looks of things it's going to affect us all at some point whether we like it or not!

As I posted on another thread, watch the documentary Money Masters, if you have not already. It is all backed by evidence.

Another scenario;
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

That oil crash website looks like it's pushing freeze dried food. That's typical of the doomsayers. "The world is ending, everything will be worthless, so buy gold/diamonds/freeze dried food from my (ahem) side business to protect yourself! Oh yeah, and you'll pay three times what you should so I can live in Malibu and drive a Mercedes. But never mind that. Now about peak oil..." I've seen enough of this scam to be skeptical whenever somebody gets super-dramatic with the global doom stuff. Apparently this site is pretty old-it predicts that doomsaday will be upon us by 2010. It is now mid-September 2008 and so far there is no sign of peak oil. Oil doubled in a year, and everybody was talking "peak oil" and massive shortages. Then the bubble burst, and oil prices dropped. In 2001 it was predicted that by now civilization would be imploding because of global warming and massive energy and food shortages.

I DO planning on buying a bunch of land, putting myself in the middle of it, and being totally off the grid and growing much of what I eat, but that's because 1) I'm aspie and don't get along well with other people and 2) my family has a long long history of advocating self-sufficiency, on both my parents' sides. It's in my genes. My relatives in Arkansas still live pretty much like they always have. They have pickups now, and the occasional tractor, but they still eke out food from the Ozarks like they have for nearly two centuries. As late as the 1940s they didn't have electricity, they used windmills and crude generators to power things, and lit their homes with oil lamps. Even today the electric supply is spotty. They don't have television, for the most part. I'm not sure if they have the internet. Their PCs are old. It's a very stripped down life, but they see little reason to change. A few of them work for Wal-Mart now, since the corporate headquarters is in the area, but a lot of them don't.