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09 Dec 2008, 3:20 pm

Thank you Undercover for your honesty is stating that Jesus was mentally ill. Many people try not to be offensive by saying that Jesus was a great man. Unless he is the Son of God, he would have been crazy to say the things He did.

I love celebrating my Saviour's birth, and I don't care when in the year I do it. I understand the psychological and historical reasons for placing it at the solstice. I just finished decorating our Christmas tree with angels and stars.



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09 Dec 2008, 3:35 pm

The way I see it, there are 4 distinct possibilities when discussing the Man from Galilee.

1. Jesus was under demonic influence
2. Jesus was insane
3. Jesus was a big fat liar
4. Jesus really was who he said he was

But which one was he? All four of these are equally plausible. The Pharisees certainly tried to prove his miracles came from the devil and not God. They tried everything they could think of to some discredit Jesus or find some weakness in his knowledge of Scripture. But they could not. So finally they got really angry and had Jesus arrested.



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09 Dec 2008, 4:29 pm

slowmutant wrote:
The way I see it, there are 4 distinct possibilities when discussing the Man from Galilee.

1. Jesus was under demonic influence
2. Jesus was insane
3. Jesus was a big fat liar
4. Jesus really was who he said he was

But which one was he? All four of these are equally plausible. The Pharisees certainly tried to prove his miracles came from the devil and not God. They tried everything they could think of to some discredit Jesus or find some weakness in his knowledge of Scripture. But they could not. So finally they got really angry and had Jesus arrested.


who's to say things back then happened exactly as they're said to? i can walk on water but am i jesus? no, because the lake's frozen but those watching don't know that. catch my drift? ;)


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09 Dec 2008, 4:43 pm

The way I see it, the only "evidence" that we have for Jesus' existance is based on a few written accounts of His life, and not on any independent material evidence. The logic goes something like this:

    1. "How do we know that the Jesus stories are true?"

    2. "Because they're in the Bible!"

    3. "How do we know that the Bible is a true account?"

    4. "God said so!"

    5. "How do we know that God is real?"

    6. "Because it says so in the Bible!"

    7. (Go to step 3.)
So if the only "proof" for His existance is a circle of logic, how can such an exercise as pinning down His birthdate even be relevant?


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09 Dec 2008, 4:52 pm

slowmutant wrote:
The way I see it, there are 4 distinct possibilities when discussing the Man from Galilee.

1. Jesus was under demonic influence
2. Jesus was insane
3. Jesus was a big fat liar
4. Jesus really was who he said he was

But which one was he? All four of these are equally plausible. The Pharisees certainly tried to prove his miracles came from the devil and not God. They tried everything they could think of to some discredit Jesus or find some weakness in his knowledge of Scripture. But they could not. So finally they got really angry and had Jesus arrested.


Well, my friend Bob thinks he's the son of God, so in his case we have the same 4 distinct possibilities:

1. Bob is under demonic influence
2. Bob is insane
3. Bob is a big fat liar
4. Bob really is who he says he is.

The thing is, even though this is a logically identical situation to the one you outlined, I don't think these 4 options are equally plausible. Why do you think they are equally plausible in Jesus' case?



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09 Dec 2008, 4:56 pm

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09 Dec 2008, 4:57 pm

ducasse wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
The way I see it, there are 4 distinct possibilities when discussing the Man from Galilee.

1. Jesus was under demonic influence
2. Jesus was insane
3. Jesus was a big fat liar
4. Jesus really was who he said he was

But which one was he? All four of these are equally plausible. The Pharisees certainly tried to prove his miracles came from the devil and not God. They tried everything they could think of to some discredit Jesus or find some weakness in his knowledge of Scripture. But they could not. So finally they got really angry and had Jesus arrested.


Well, my friend Bob thinks he's the son of God, so in his case we have the same 4 distinct possibilities:

1. Bob is under demonic influence
2. Bob is insane
3. Bob is a big fat liar
4. Bob really is who he says he is.

The thing is, even though this is a logically identical situation to the one you outlined, I don't think these 4 options are equally plausible. Why do you think they are equally plausible in Jesus' case?


who knows, Bob might be the second coming so many people are looking forward to :lol:

vicars throughout the ages have said ''we're all god's children'', if that's the case what makes jesus so important? why doesn't the world worship everyone?


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09 Dec 2008, 5:05 pm

ducasse wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
The way I see it, there are 4 distinct possibilities when discussing the Man from Galilee.

1. Jesus was under demonic influence
2. Jesus was insane
3. Jesus was a big fat liar
4. Jesus really was who he said he was

But which one was he? All four of these are equally plausible. The Pharisees certainly tried to prove his miracles came from the devil and not God. They tried everything they could think of to some discredit Jesus or find some weakness in his knowledge of Scripture. But they could not. So finally they got really angry and had Jesus arrested.

Well, my friend Bob thinks he's the son of God, so in his case we have the same 4 distinct possibilities:

1. Bob is under demonic influence
2. Bob is insane
3. Bob is a big fat liar
4. Bob really is who he says he is.

The thing is, even though this is a logically identical situation to the one you outlined, I don't think these 4 options are equally plausible. Why do you think they are equally plausible in Jesus' case?

They ought to be, since the entire exercise is predicated on the idea that both Bob and Jesus are making the same claim, and therefore their claims must be considered to potentially have equal validity.


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09 Dec 2008, 5:09 pm

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omg, Jezus whas a mentaly crazy guy who saw ghosts and claims he whas the son of god -_-' (sorry but this is the real truth)<-- (this is my oppinion of what i think really happend, the day he whas born could be anyday)
Actually that isn't the real truth. The Real truth is that Jesus was just your average every day guy, and somehow people overstated his abilities.

Thats my opinion anyway. :P



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09 Dec 2008, 5:58 pm

I'm actually pondering whether they used different calendars back then which are different to ours, so that it's June for our Calendars, but for them it was December, and they decided to hand over Xmas to December on the new one?

Besides, if Christmas wasn't in December, then there'd be nothing to look forward to at the end of the year!


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09 Dec 2008, 6:01 pm

It's a shame they actually get paid to research garbage like that.


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09 Dec 2008, 7:03 pm

886 wrote:
It's a shame they actually get paid to research garbage like that.
How is it Garbage???



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09 Dec 2008, 7:09 pm

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886 wrote:
It's a shame they actually get paid to research garbage like that.
How is it Garbage???

I agree. Don't you think the Son of God isn't important enough to research?


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09 Dec 2008, 7:16 pm

KBABZ wrote:
ShadesOfMe wrote:
886 wrote:
It's a shame they actually get paid to research garbage like that.
How is it Garbage???

I agree. Don't you think the Son of God isn't important enough to research?
People Believe that he is the son of god, so KBABZ is right, it's worth the research to find out more. How much of what people believe is really accurate?



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10 Dec 2008, 7:36 am

KBABZ wrote:
ShadesOfMe wrote:
886 wrote:
It's a shame they actually get paid to research garbage like that.
How is it Garbage???

I agree. Don't you think the Son of God isn't important enough to research?
hang on a second, this isn't researching the son of god, it's investigating the 'star' the wise men followed.

here's another possible theory. people saw the light and thought it meant something due to the superstitious nature of people back then, and so they swept it togeher with religion along with everything else that happened... possible?


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10 Dec 2008, 7:59 am

Fnord wrote:
The way I see it, the only "evidence" that we have for Jesus' existance is based on a few written accounts of His life, and not on any independent material evidence. The logic goes something like this:
    1. "How do we know that the Jesus stories are true?"

    2. "Because they're in the Bible!"

    3. "How do we know that the Bible is a true account?"

    4. "God said so!"

    5. "How do we know that God is real?"

    6. "Because it says so in the Bible!"

    7. (Go to step 3.)
So if the only "proof" for His existance is a circle of logic, how can such an exercise as pinning down His birthdate even be relevant?

Not this argument again :roll: It's always wheeled out by non-believers despite not everyone who believes in the Bible thinking that way.


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