Where did AFF go????

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Aspies For Freedom.

Got it.

They're not accepting new members right now, though

They don't want banned members coming back so they close it off and on.

That site's horrible, yet they've been praised to holy hell by all of the big names and scientists. I mean, they get actual GOOD press yet they have posts talking about going out and making sperm donations without disclosing their diagnoses, which is a crime.

This isn't a post about bioethics. This is a post about AFF being a bunch of jackass real life trolls.
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthr ... pid=190279

Straight from the horse's (or horse f****r's, whichever) mouth.

I'm sorry, but I hate these people. They give the sane people a bad name and make all neurodiversity advocates look crazy.

But wait! There's more!

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthr ... ?tid=14658
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=4973

oh well let them have thier site. eventually only amy and gareth will be the ones posting and they'll get it finally that you cant ban the majority of people without having your site suck balls. wich it currently does, and probably always will. and for the record ive never registerd there EVER.

why? i'd be banned in a blink of a eye wich is why im so glad you guys put up with me.

I believe I registered for that website once. I found it odd, and the topics they were talking about were strange.

As to donating sperm, without telling anyone about being an aspie, I agree. with the poster on AFF. They referenced this article: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... LHO0.shtml

These women wouldn't have chosen the sperm had they known he could be on the Autism Spectrum. I Think that is wrong. That basically like saying I wouldn't have chosen you, almost like saying to a baby naturally conceived "I would have aborted you had I known you would turn out to be different" It's wrong.

why should they have to disclose that? it's nobody's business.

It should be their business if it's going to directly affect their lives. There is a difference between aborting a sentient foetus and passing genes by. A big difference (lol I just reminded myself of that league of gentlemen song).

Autism does not make up the whole of us. Yes it is a huge part of us but there are other factors and genes that shape the way we are.

For example, if a mother says to her daughter 'I would rather you be less clumsy (dyspraxic?), it doesn't mean that for the chance of having a less clumsy daughter she would willingly have aborted her existing daughter if she had known beforehand.

If by a chance these genes may give rise to an individual with an ASD the 'mother' should be informed so that she and her family can learn about ASDs- so that their child can have the best start in life in a culture that may very well be incompatable with parts of him/her; why should the child have to suffer (be it through ignorant or even resentful parents) just for the sake of 'passing on the genes'? It seems very strange to me.

But please tell me if this sounds completely stupid- I've been having a lot of 'mind fog' lately.

My post wasn't about bioethics: it was about whether or not Gareth Nelson, who has been praised by the "elites" of this world (I think Simon Baron-Cohen had some wonderful things to say about him), was encouraging the people on his site to break the law.

He was.

What a dick.

Let's say I'm a carrier for hemophilia. I know for a fact that some of my eggs contain the gene Now, if I personally didn't see something like that to be all that bad of a thing (thinking that if more hemophiliacs were brought into the world, then more research would be done and so on), do I then donate an egg without telling the parents just because I'm on some kind of f****d up agenda?

Not saying it's the same thing, but I *am* saying that if the law says that you disclose, then you disclose.

And a previous poster was right. Just because the donor sperm came from a man with AS doesn't mean the child won't be lower on the spectrum. LFA people (and AS people... though I don't extend that attitude to people like Nelson) deserve to live, but a lot of parents just aren't prepared for that.

Basically, anyone following Nelson's advice is going to get sued. Then again, a lot of the people on that site appear to be self-diagnosed so there's no way to prove they knew. In fact, I believe he himself said "that's just another reason not to get a diagnosis"

The mind of this man... I've often doubted he was on the spectrum and wondered if he was more of a sociopath.

I registered there a year ago or something but I've never looged in. It doesn't seem as good as here.

I couldn't care less that they went. They were boring, and they banned me after 5 posts!

Did you at least go down fighting, Mosse, or was your banning a surprise?

I see this is MizLiz thread to complain and whine about how she hates this AFF site. Apparently people on that site are not allowed to have opinions that differ from MizLiz's opinion. MizLiz, you need to calm down, are you angry because you got banned or something from that site?

I do enjoy how you picked out threads from over two years ago to

I don't see why I should tell a sperm bank that I have AS. It's not a disease. I wouldn't tell a sperm bank that I had AS if I was to donate sperm. I believe the person on that site wants to be viewed or have equals rights as an NT. There is nothing wrong with that.