Doing the Hokey Pokey 'could be hate crime'

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25 Dec 2008, 10:37 pm

next thing you know, they'll outlaw the 'Chicken Dance' Polka at wedding receptions...

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25 Dec 2008, 11:56 pm

The translation I read said that Little Red Riding hood killed the wolf.

The Grimm brothers got their stories from a solitary alchemist (witch) who lived in the forest. She was a very wise woman. The stories are packed with archetypal metaphors.

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26 Dec 2008, 9:27 am

Some people consider Halloween anti-Christian. Does that mean that trick-or-treating will be a hate crime?

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26 Dec 2008, 9:28 am

pakled wrote:

next thing you know, they'll outlaw the 'Chicken Dance' Polka at wedding receptions...

Don't give PETA any ideas. :lol:

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26 Dec 2008, 2:14 pm

Red riding hood was eaten in the original version, I remember a version where the wolf tricks into eating red her grandmother as meat and drinking her blood as wine, while a bird warns her or a cat,I think it was singing a song so likely a bird,I was told this one in German when I was very little, it stuck with me quite strongly. I was a rather odd morbid child.

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26 Dec 2008, 3:26 pm

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There seems to be a lot of rather dark and or disturbing children's stories in German culture. There's a song by Rammstein called Hilf Mir which was based on a story from the children's storybook stories collection called Der Struwwelpeter. The English translation of the story is called The Dreadful Story of Pauline and the Matches, and it's about a girl who plays with matches despite being warned not to by her cats, and she ends up accidentally lighting herself on fire and burning the house down. Really upset me, cause they had it where her cats were mourning her at the end of the story. The song is supposed to be like Pauline screaming "Help me!" as she's burning.

So after reading about that, I'm rather amazed German kids grow up without being terribly fearful of the world, hearing such graphic stories like that. Although I do understand it's a difference between cultures and stuff like that. If anything, I've heard other cultures claim American children's stories are too saccharin and unrealistic.

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26 Dec 2008, 4:32 pm

violet_yoshi wrote:

kitsunetsuki wrote:

I wonder if there is a lower incidence of arson, or child deaths by fire in Germany?

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30 Dec 2008, 1:10 pm

"sinister"? I found it more funny than anything.

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30 Dec 2008, 2:19 pm

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I think it's rather widely acknowledged that the original Grimm's Faerytales were far from child friendly. By the way, didn't the wolf eat Red Riding hood in the original version?

No, I thought the wolf ate her grandma. And someone cut open the wolf to get the grandmother back. At least, that's how it goes in one of my old storybooks.

I was always afraid of it.

But That's not the original. In the non original version, everything is okay when a "friendly woodsman" cuts open the wolfs belly, and Red riding hood and her Grandmother are miraculously alive, and uncut. How they fit in there I don't know, but the original is more sinister.

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30 Dec 2008, 4:30 pm

Shiggily wrote:

Unless we are also banning "Ring around the Rosie" for morbidity.

If you're referring to the plague interpretation, my impression is that scholars find it rather unlikely to be true. For example, snopes addressed the question here.

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02 Jan 2009, 2:07 am

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according to the Catholic Church and some Scottish politicians, singing the popular tune that begins with the words "You put your right hand in, your right hand out," may constitute an act of religious hatred.

But what if the Hokey Tokey is really what it's all about? We'd have nothing left! We must stop them!! :twisted:

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02 Jan 2009, 2:09 am

Tim_UK wrote:

Hokey Cokey - UK circa 1940
Hokey Pokey - USA circa 1950
Hokey Tokey - New Zealand

Origins unknown

Hmm... Lots of kiwis would be up in arms if they banned Hokey Pokey. That's my favorite Ice-Cream!

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05 Jan 2009, 11:07 am

A lot of hooey-phooey topic

I used to screw this song up when I tried to imitate teh motions when I was a kid.

In one Red Riding hood story version I read, the wolf ate the granny whole and she clawed her way out of his skin. Poor wolfie.

Many of these nursery tales and rhymes have no reason. :roll: Just dumb and dumber.

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