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06 Jun 2009, 8:48 am

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indeed, it's painfully obvious you don't get it..
i don't feel any need to explain myself to you.. siding with rapists? this guy, that no-one here knows, &yet everyone thinks it right to revel in his suffering.. i put it to you, that you are no better than a rapist.


It is because we hate rapists for their crimes that we judge them in such a way.

I am happy that a rapist has died, so it makes me as bad as them? Genius logic you have there. :roll: It's good to want a society with them.

Stop talking out of your arse, mmk?


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06 Jun 2009, 10:34 am

yes, because you hate &wish death upon others.. hate, as far as i'm concerned is as bad as, if not the same as violence..

your anger only further proves my point.



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06 Jun 2009, 10:57 am

Here in australia a few years ago we had "task force Auxin" or something like that, where cops arrested people involved in a Child Pornography ring. While not attempting to defend the people involved in such a group the local news reported that one of those taken in actually responded to his arrest as "thank god."

So what would drive a 24 year old (the guy's age was listed) to such a thing? One considerd repsonses like anubis. Imagine you are growing up and going through puberty and much to your chagrin that you don't go through it like normal kids in your peer group. Who go through and discover a facination with the adult female form, or even the adult male form (who receive enough crap already). Imagine instead that you are attracted to children... what then, are you going to do? Are you going to go to your parents and say... mum, dad, I think I'm a paedophile. Or are you going to hide and pretend? Are you going to live a celibate life (or attempt a normal relationship with someone)?

Now I am not condoning anything this guy has done... but I would suggest that it is responses similar to the ones displayed on this thread such as "good riddance" or "no sympathy here" that would lead to such a state of affairs as a man being turned out and allowed to die from exposure to the elements cold and all alone with no recourse for a "new start."


Of course, after THIS post I imagine I'll be being visited by the cops.



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06 Jun 2009, 11:57 am

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yes, because you hate &wish death upon others.. hate, as far as i'm concerned is as bad as, if not the same as violence..

your anger only further proves my point.


Not at all. Rapists did something really really bad - their victims were innocent. Even actually beating one to death wouldn't be nearly as bad as what they did. Hating them is what normal people do.



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06 Jun 2009, 2:53 pm

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Fudo wrote:
yes, because you hate &wish death upon others.. hate, as far as i'm concerned is as bad as, if not the same as violence..

your anger only further proves my point.


Not at all. Rapists did something really really bad - their victims were innocent. Even actually beating one to death wouldn't be nearly as bad as what they did. Hating them is what normal people do.


"really really bad" ?
how can you say beating someone to death is not "as bad"? there is no logic to this.
there are no "normal" people, if you mean to say "you &people you have spoken to" hate rapists that's up to you, that's not "normal" that's hateful, a hate presumably born out of fear, ignorance or perhaps in your case a desire to be "normal"
if i saw someone trying to beat a rapist, or indeed any living thing, i would attempt to incapacitate them, rather than join in. clearly i am not "normal" *sighs*



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06 Jun 2009, 3:30 pm

Fudo wrote:
MattShizzle wrote:
Fudo wrote:
yes, because you hate &wish death upon others.. hate, as far as i'm concerned is as bad as, if not the same as violence..

your anger only further proves my point.


Not at all. Rapists did something really really bad - their victims were innocent. Even actually beating one to death wouldn't be nearly as bad as what they did. Hating them is what normal people do.


"really really bad" ?
how can you say beating someone to death is not "as bad"? there is no logic to this.
there are no "normal" people, if you mean to say "you &people you have spoken to" hate rapists that's up to you, that's not "normal" that's hateful, a hate presumably born out of fear, ignorance or perhaps in your case a desire to be "normal"
if i saw someone trying to beat a rapist, or indeed any living thing, i would attempt to incapacitate them, rather than join in. clearly i am not "normal" *sighs*


It's not about being f*****g normal. It's about wanting justice. I don't care about normality. As far as I'm concerned, these people choose to hurt others and deserve all the hellfire they get in return.

Would you want them living next to you?


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06 Jun 2009, 3:46 pm

justice.. so far all you're arguing for is vengeance, revenge & MORE hurt.. that, in my opinion is not just.
i live in a flat block, full of what you called "Working class, illiterate chavs" & apparently, (the source being another resident) at least one sex offender. I don't like living here if that's what you mean? but there are many reasons for this.
you say these people are "wrong" for causing harm & yet all you suggests is retaliation..



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06 Jun 2009, 4:13 pm

anyway.. you are perfectly entitled to your opinions & i'm sorry if i seem judgemental..
believe it or not, i would fight & die for your freedom of thought, my only objection is that it would cause harm "unnecessarily..
if that makes sense?



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06 Jun 2009, 5:53 pm

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justice.. so far all you're arguing for is vengeance, revenge & MORE hurt.. that, in my opinion is not just.
i live in a flat block, full of what you called "Working class, illiterate chavs" & apparently, (the source being another resident) at least one sex offender. I don't like living here if that's what you mean? but there are many reasons for this.
you say these people are "wrong" for causing harm & yet all you suggests is retaliation..


Yeah, I am arguing for MORE hurt, as you put it. More hurt to the offender, no-one else.

Some people need to be hurt for their crimes alone. You're simply not putting that "hurt" into context. It makes sense to punish criminals for their crimes and have a strong legal system with strict punishments for the worst offenders. The death penalty should not only be a deterrent, but the ultimate price people may pay for murder.

With the law, comes a price to breaking it. Arguably, the price we put on committing a murder is not high enough. It should be at least one life for a life.

People who willingly commit murder should face execution or life sentences of over 20 years, in general cases.
This could be reduced in some cases where the murderer(s) took vigilante action, but there should really be no need for vigilante action.


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06 Jun 2009, 5:59 pm

Fudo wrote:
anyway.. you are perfectly entitled to your opinions & i'm sorry if i seem judgemental..
believe it or not, i would fight & die for your freedom of thought, my only objection is that it would cause harm "unnecessarily..
if that makes sense?


You're also entitled to your opinions, but please don't take that condescending tone. I don't agree to disagree. I disagree entirely :P


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06 Jun 2009, 6:03 pm

i'm not condescending, you are.
You have repeatedly expressed your "superiority" over murderers &rapists, as if you are somehow "above" humanity.



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06 Jun 2009, 6:08 pm

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i'm not condescending, you are.
You have repeatedly expressed your "superiority" over murderers &rapists, as if you are somehow "above" humanity.


We're all better than thug murderers, really. Who are you to say they can be somehow reeducated and made into productive humans, anyway?

You think of yourself as morally superior to a murderer or rapist, don't you? It is simply that I have taken it a step further, and judged them in the eyes of death.


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06 Jun 2009, 6:16 pm

i think myself superior to no man or any life form, unless i'm "blinded" by emotions.
all humans are capable of murder, myself included, that is why i stress the importance of education & understanding.



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06 Jun 2009, 6:28 pm

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i think myself superior to no man or any life form, unless i'm "blinded" by emotions.
all humans are capable of murder, myself included, that is why i stress the importance of education & understanding.


You stress the importance of education and understanding and your morally superior high ground, right?
I don't think it weighs up. I know, from experience and informed observation, that animals are not equal, and humans are not equal, in various ways. Whilst there are massively diverse and colourful qualities, some people are capable of much more and much less than others, and stronger and weaker than others. However, the legal system should judge all people equally, regardless of their creed. If I commit a crime, am caught and found guilty, I expect to be punished for it. I might try to avoid trial and punishment, but when I am caught.. I know what I have done wrong, let the guillotine chop off my head and throw it to the dogs.


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06 Jun 2009, 6:41 pm

how am i stressing my moral high ground, i am equally capable of murder, as a human born with insticts, driven by hormones.
humans are not entirely equal no, but we are (except for a very small amounts of people with a neurological difference far more distinctive than autism) all capable of killing.. thus we are the dominant species on the planet.
if you believe people are so different why should they all be treated the same?
If all people should be treated equally, presumably a Judge is also unnecessary in your opinion?



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06 Jun 2009, 6:48 pm

I think the child molestation category is now so broad that it is necessary to see the actual criminal records, so thanks for posting that.

No loss.