Chimpanzee planned stone attacks on zoo visitors

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12 Mar 2009, 3:14 pm

We now know Chimpanzees are capable of thinking...now let's protect them from the stress that goes along with being gawked at everyday at zoos.



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12 Mar 2009, 6:51 pm

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Scientifically speaking, I'm not really sure why this is a big deal. We already know chimps make their own tools for fishing termites out of mounds, which requires some forethought. And we already know they can remember where they see someone bury something and go and dig it up the next day. How is this different?


I once thought the chimpanzee was this only other animal besides ourselves that can make tools but I have learnt that the palm cockatoo can also make tools. It is a spectacular black cockatoo from New Guinea and the Northern Queensland and fashion a stick to make a drumstick when it is courting with a mate. They are extremely intelligent birds and perhaps the most intelligent of all birds, even more intelligent than crows.



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12 Mar 2009, 10:43 pm

Some seals use rocks in the water and throw seashells at it to eat the meat inside. :P

Oh and that spider article was very interesting, i guess there's some truth behind spiders being smart... guess we better watch out :p



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13 Mar 2009, 10:50 am

This is rather old information. Many years ago in the St Louis Zoo there was an ape who would throw his "dookie" at the glass at passersby. My dad used to say it was the rage for people to go and see the ape "Phil" who'd throw poo at people. They made a bronze statue in remembrance of him because of his personality and you can see it to this day.



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13 Mar 2009, 11:07 am

Averick wrote:
This is rather old information. Many years ago in the St Louis Zoo there was an ape who would throw his "dookie" at the glass at passersby. My dad used to say it was the rage for people to go and see the ape "Phil" who'd throw poo at people. They made a bronze statue in remembrance of him because of his personality and you can see it to this day.


The only difference between Phil the dookie thrower and us is verbal aptitude and mathematical skill. Our dookies exlode and kill people. Man is the ill tempered hominid who can solve differential equations.

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13 Mar 2009, 12:11 pm

paulsinnerchild wrote:
Anemone wrote:
Scientifically speaking, I'm not really sure why this is a big deal. We already know chimps make their own tools for fishing termites out of mounds, which requires some forethought. And we already know they can remember where they see someone bury something and go and dig it up the next day. How is this different?


I once thought the chimpanzee was this only other animal besides ourselves that can make tools but I have learnt that the palm cockatoo can also make tools. It is a spectacular black cockatoo from New Guinea and the Northern Queensland and fashion a stick to make a drumstick when it is courting with a mate. They are extremely intelligent birds and perhaps the most intelligent of all birds, even more intelligent than crows.


I didn't know that about cockatoos. There's a species of crow that uses twigs to fish insects out of holes, too. Intelligence is weird.



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13 Mar 2009, 3:40 pm

Oh, should i start flinging poo at passersby? XD (jk)



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14 Mar 2009, 6:39 am

phil777 wrote:
Oh, should i start flinging poo at passersby? XD (jk)


Poo flinging is the essence of hominid warfare. Dropping bombs on cities is just a technological elaboration of poo flinging.

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14 Mar 2009, 7:31 am

One of the thing you have to rule out is that that stone collecting and the stone throwing are two separate activities without forethought. It is reasonable to assume that they are not, however scientifically you still have to rule that possibility out.

In the case of the spider the subject the behaviour is directed at (the prey) features in both the planning and the execution.



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14 Mar 2009, 9:57 am

0_equals_true wrote:
One of the thing you have to rule out is that that stone collecting and the stone throwing are two separate activities without forethought. It is reasonable to assume that they are not, however scientifically you still have to rule that possibility out.

In the case of the spider the subject the behaviour is directed at (the prey) features in both the planning and the execution.


There is almost no way to rule it out. We know from prior observations of chimps, that chimp males kill without provocation and male chimps band together to violence on neighboring groups of chimps. A clear case of male bonded violence, which is ever characteristic of the primate order, including humans.

Chimps are a bad tempered evil lot as we have seen from recent news stories about chimps. The bonabos have a better temper than the chimps.

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