LOTS of manga/anime now illegal in Sweden; soon to be in EU

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I vaguely recall you posting that while you're opposed to porn, you aren't in favor of censorship. It seems you have changed your mind since then, to the point where you approve the censorship of historical art and literature. I've always suspected as much from anti-porn activists. There goes Thomas Mann’s Death in Venice, as well as several movie adaptations of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.

And how old were Lot's daughters again in the Bible tale? Two of them weren't married when they had sex with him, only betrothed. Seeing that girls were usually married at age 12-14 in those times (think of how young Mary must have been when Yahweh or his angel impregnated her), the story of Lot is not just an incest story, but a child abuse story to boot. And then there is that unpleasant business with the virgin Midianite girls. So the Bible will probably have to go too.



I think when it comes to legal age, the deciding factor should be age, as the term already suggests. The appearance or outfit of a person shouldn't factor into it. Since you seem to think otherwise, do you also think that men should be prosecuted for statutory rape if they have sex with an adult woman who wears a school uniform?



I think the legal term is minor, not child. The law can decide that people under 20 are minors, but the transition from child to adolescent is determined by mother nature.



I'm not sure that this is what legislators had in mind when they outlawed child porn. If a mother walks in on her teenage son having sex with another teenager, or on her prepubescent children playing doctor, does that make her a criminal? I don't think so. Seeing minors naked in a sexual context is not a crime. The original aim of anti-child porn laws is to prevent the sexual abuse of children and teenagers, as well as their commercial exploitation. Not to eradicate every literary or artistic reminder of the fact that teenagers have sex, and have been doing so since the dawn of times.

I also disagree that fictional stories and artwork give the impression that their content would be ok to reenact in real life. Horror movies and video game violence didn't cause an increase of violent crime, it has actually decreased in recent decades. People, at least adult people, are very good at distinguishing between fiction and reality.



The only reliable way to prevent people from acting on their sexual urges, especially male people, is to remove their libido. You can't remove sexual urges by outlawing porn. Pedophiles would only be more inclined to satisfy their urge by preying on actual children. I guess we would have to find all pedophiles, round them up, hospitalize them and chemically or surgically castrate them, against their will if necessary.

And then we'd have to do something about the pesky human rights activists who would undoubtedly compare this to the chemical castration of Alan Turing and other gay people, the forced sterilization of minority women, or the forced medical experiments on other groups of sexual deviants in the past. They would even have a point if they dropped words like "eugenics", seeing that there are many non-exclusive pedophiles who have children with adult partners.

Hebephiles, which have strongly been selected for in historic times and might constitute a considerable portion of the adult male population, would have to undergo the same forced treatment. Including non-exclusive hebephiles who are attracted to sexually mature women of all ages. After all, there is no telling if or when they might act on inappropriate urges that were perfectly appropriate and natural for the first 200,000 years of Homo sapiens evolution. Nowadays, people who feel attracted to 13- or 14-year-olds are just as dangerous as pedophiles.

In countries where the age of consent is 18, one would also have to kill the libido of ephebophiles. I suppose the governments in those countries would end up chemically neutering the vast majority of males. Probably all males except for a handful of guys who are very good at pretending And finally, if we must assume that all pedophiles and hebephiles are rapists waiting to happen, must we not assume the same of heterosexual men? In a South African survey, one in four men admitted to being a rapist (source). I don't think that the percentage of child abusers among pedophiles is much higher than that, although I don't have any statistics to support this hunch.

It might make more sense to try and screen out all men, regardless of sexual orientation, who are most likely to become sexually violent or abusive. Such as sadists and other sexual deviants of the BDSM variety. We could call the resulting list of names a minority report. Sorry for being a bit sarcastic, I just think that attempts to punish crime before it actually happens, or to preemptively "treat" potential criminals, is a really huge and ugly can of worms in terms of human rights.

Looking at pictures, reading text, or fantasizing about a particular thing does not always mean you want to do that in real life.

Thinking about things is not wrong.

Margaret Alexander concluded that men treated before 1980 (treated by more traditional methods) reoffended at a rate of 12.8%, while men treated after 1980 (treated by present day methods) reoffended at 7.4%. She did a kind of meta-analysis, over viewing 79 studies with nearly 11,000 people in the samples. So, the recidivism rate of the modern methods appear to be lower than the more traditional methods.

Karl Hanson & Monique Bussière presented the most recent meta-analysis about those recidivism rates in their article from 1998: Predicting Relapse: A meta-Analysis of Sexual Offender Recidivism Studies. They re-analyzed 61 follow-up studies with a total sample of nearly 23,400 people. On average, the sexual offense recidivism rate was low: 13,4%. Note that the general recidivism rate, according to Hanson, is 36.3%. So, the recidivism of sexual offenders is not 3 times the general one, but one-third of it. I'ts simply not true that 90% or more of the sexual offenders reoffend - it's 13.4%.

i don't see how it would NOT mean that a person wants to do it. and fantasies are desirable by nature.

something to keep in mind is that pedophilic behaviour is highly treatable

So much hate against a victimless crime.

Morality is hilarious.

How? You can't treat paedophilic desires without completely removing someone's sex drive and even then it ain't guaranteed to work, surely?

A lot of this stuff would have never been allowed when I was growing up.

How? You can't treat paedophilic desires without completely removing someone's sex drive and even then it ain't guaranteed to work, surely?

Could making pornography legal lead to lower rates of sex crimes? A new study by Milton Diamond, from the University of Hawaii, and colleagues, addresses this controversial question.

Results from the Czech Republic showed, as seen everywhere else studied (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sweden, USA), that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography. In addition, the study found that the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen since 1989, when child pornography became readily accessible -- a phenomenon also seen in Denmark and Japan.

The research results are published online in Springer's journal Archives of Sexual Behavior.

The findings support the theory that potential sexual offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex crimes against children. While the authors do not approve of the use of real children in the production or distribution of child pornography, they say that artificially produced materials might serve a purpose.

Diamond and team looked at what actually happened to sex-related crimes in the Czech Republic as it transitioned from having a strict ban on sexually explicit materials to a situation where the material was decriminalized. Pornography was strictly prohibited between 1948 and 1989. The ban was lifted with the country's transition to democracy and, by 1990, the availability and ownership of sexually explicit materials rose dramatically. Even the possession of child pornography was not a criminal offense.

The researchers monitored the number of sex-related crimes from Ministry of Interior records -- rape, attempted rape, sexual assault, and child sex abuse in particular -- for 15 years during the ban and 18 years after it was lifted.

Most significantly, they found that the number of reported cases of child sex abuse dropped markedly immediately after the ban on sexually explicit materials was lifted in 1989. In both Denmark and Japan, the situation is similar: Child sex abuse was much lower than it was when availability of child pornography was restricted.

Other results showed that, overall, there was no increase in reported sex-related crimes generally since the legalization of pornography. Interestingly, whereas the number of sex-related crimes fell significantly after 1989, the number of other societal crimes -- murder, assault, and robbery -- rose significantly.