The REAL cause of the totenham riots...

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That this isnt driven by political ideology is irrelevant; its a direct consequence of economic & social policy.

It was reported last nite that local community leaders in Toxeth only id'ed a few of the rioters as being local to the area and some of then when home when asked to stop. I was 2 years old when the '81 riots happened. Oh from the sound of things, it sounds like you studied at the same university as me Liverpool university.




I been around that way this year a few times theres a few areas of Toxteth that are run down and need doing up. There was an new supermarket opened this year in the area by a member of my family who done community work (eg. helping to save Admiral Grove)

I studied for my first degree at the other place. It was the Poly then, now John Moore’s University. In the 80s Toxteth was really run down and I mean really run down. It’s been about three years since I last visited Liverpool. I suppose it could have slumped back a bit in that time.

Humans are strange. There is this element to human nature that causes people to go ape-sh*t and gather in packs for socially canabalistic reasons. This is the same behavior seen in genocide...a kind of destructive mob mentality. I dont understand it, but have been trying to study it for years with no further understanding why it exists within people. It may have started because of one reason, the shooting, but that was the spark next to a pool as gasoline. If social climate was different (gasoline not present), then the results would be different. Like climate change that occured in Sudan, which depleted resources, finacial and social strains in UK have created a social atmospere of compitition between classes for access to resources which made this situation favorable for this socially canabalistic mob behavior.
Often people after a genocide is over, those that partisipated, when interviewed dont understand what motivated them...they felt they were in a mindset at the time that they had no control over. In a way, I guess you can say it is a mass social/moral meltdown. I am no closer to understanding why it exists.
Maybe I should see if the same behavior can be witnessed in other ape species.

It does, right down to hostile personality disorder, territorial behavior, and apes eating other types of apes.

I heard that baseball bats are selling out all over England and on Amazon.co.uk. I looked into this and it is plausible and small concealable martial arts weapons are also selling fast. I guess the failure of the police to provide protection is making people risk getting tried by 12 rather than get carried by 6.

Any attempt to keep the hearts and minds of the thugs has failed. They have nothing to lose by bringing in the military for support. It worked great in LA, they even used an airstrike then on at least one occasion when some firefighters got pinned down. I believe that was officially ruled a gas leak.

This is one of those times when force is needed for the safety of others. It is sad that the situation was allowed to get to this point by lack of access to resourses, but once you are here...with mobs of crazy people burning and looting...feeling sorry for them wont solve this crisis.
The military needs to be brought in and just declare temporary martial law to deal with this situation.
It is a threat to UK's national security and needs to be treated like one.

I never heard of the airstrike...d@mn.

I hope everyone in the UK are doing ok.

Jojo

That's what has been said - time to bring in the Army. There isn't a NI-style situation preventing this. Send the Army in (who shouldn't be in Afghanistan and Iraq) anyway. In a situation like this the forces of law and order need to be proactive by stopping this scum from looting and rioting, using deadly force if necessary after warnings.

If you're prepared to do something like loot and riot, expect to suffer the consequences.

I honestly dont see why the UK gets dragged into the US military exploits, but other than that I agree people willing to be purposely destructive need to face the consquences.

Thats more down to the individual police forces as there using different tactics for each situation, my own city's police forces last nite did a great job minimizing public disorder, as they changed there tactics from the nite before. The thing is the rioters from what I hear on the news form themselves into small mobile groups which makes it hard to the police to control them.

Theres a two way approach to this 1 doing it via the internet, I hear that Chester police's cybercrime unit picked up 12 people of planning looting on FB. and 2 doing it on the streets to let people know that there protected and the police are there to take care of any s**t. Eg. Merseyside police make themselves know on the streets of my city last nite

There's been looting in Trafalgar Square. The tradegy is that someone so young can go so wrong.

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A bad example to set at another species topic

And this gives seagulls a bad name.

Are there any Brits that are really embarrassed by continuous massive riots that are plaguing the UK? Such riots seem to be very rare in the UK and other European countries.

Read the thread, look at British blogs, read British forums like Digital Spy, watch British news. The answer should be obvious: we're angry rather than embarrassed.

You got to be kidding me
Theres riots have happened in England so far NOT IN THE WHOLE OF THE UK!! !
I think its a very good idea that you look into the European history of riots and civil disorder.

We good folk of the UK, are pissed off this s**t. Its pissed me off that a judge charges a person a day in jail for looting two t shirts!!

Indeed. If these riots just happened in Scotland or more likely Northern Ireland would foreigners be citing the whole of the UK then too? I think not.

There is a point to be made though, and perhaps we're being a bit unfair on Americans and the like not appreciating the difference between England and the UK. In fact, a lot of people in the UK have a problem with that themselves, thinking that they're "Bringlish".

"red bull" energy drinks.
it is like a human pamplona (sp?)